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Old 03-07-2009, 04:15 PM   #16
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Limbaugh represents the Grand Torino wing of the American populace, they are a dying breed.
They will never be able to muster any real clout again.
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Limbaugh represents the Grand Torino wing of the American populace, they are a dying breed.
They will never be able to muster any real clout again.
God willing.

I love how he takes potshots at "intellectuals" and "universities" right before the 7:50 mark. It must be hard for the Limbaugh-minded individuals to have an articulate president again. It's just not real America to go to college, get yourself a degree and earn more than $12 an hour.
What a patriot. I want all my children to grow up as dumb as I am.
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Old 03-07-2009, 09:29 PM   #18
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Have you ever seen Rush actually debate someone of intellect? Ask yourself why you haven't...
Because nobody wants to.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:02 PM   #19
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The Fairness Doctrine was in effect between 1949 and 1987.

Somehow, the world continued to spin on its axis.
Yeah it spun left.

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It's not "Hugo Chavez lite". That's just silly, like the hysteria of "socialism" being the top tax rate being raised 3% to 39%, despite the US fighting the Cold War with a ~90% tax rate.
The unfairness of a Fairness Doctrine - Los Angeles Times

It's divide and conquer tactics to try and marginalize real conservatives from the flim-flam Republicans going left. Chavez targeted opposition media much more forcefully because he has more power to do so. The difference is in degree.

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It's not surprising that you're taking Limbaugh's jokes as fact. Please, find an actual quote from Joe Biden linking 7-11 and Bobby Jindal.
You're right here. I forgot about this:

YouTube - Biden Indian

Though there are others who can't resist though:

Michelle Malkin � Helen Thomas said what about Bobby Jindal?

The point being that looking at Rush as racist is exagerration when the left can get away with similar comments being brushed off. They would get away with more if right-wing talk radio was diminished. I hope that if any muzzling of talk-radio is allowed that it will be equally enforced on Oprah.

I prefer Anitram's attitude:

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Oh I think he should be allowed to speak, and as loudly as possible. The vast majority of people hate him and his approval ratings among the under-30 crowd is dismal. Same goes for women.
If Rush is so stupid and incompetent then he's no threat.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:14 PM   #20
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This leaves the impression that you don't understand what hypocrisy means. Barbara Walters has not made her fortune by claiming that she is the "common man", and that she channels "real" America and people like Joe Plumber. This is a woman who has embraced financial success and happily lived on 5th Ave. How that has anything to do with Rush Limbaugh is beyond me.
YouTube - Rush Limbaugh on Barbara Walters' Special 12/04/08 (3 of 5)

See 1:10. "Are you worth it?"

She gets richer and richer and so does he. Why would it be a problem for him? He wasn't always wealthy but he made it with the talents he had. Why should he feel guilty if she does not? A rich person asking a rich person why he is worth it is trying to lump him with the Wall Street corrupt guys who got bonuses without results. He got results and earned them. Having her ask that question is like having Oprah ask that question.
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:16 PM   #21
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She gets richer and richer and so does he. Why would it be a problem for him?
I seriously don't believe that you understand what hypocrisy is.

Barbara Walters is a well-off, well-dressed woman who socializes with the upper crust of Manhattan and enjoys her Upper East Side lifestyle.

Rush Limbaugh is a guy who flies around in a private jet, has a $100 million contract and whose lifestyle is more like that of the Hollywood that he hates than the common man. Which he constantly bloviates about and claims to represent. Barbara Walters has NEVER DONE THAT.
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Yeah it spun left.
So given equal time between liberal and conservative voices, people chose the liberal ones? Plus, the news media environment today is quite conservative.

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It's divide and conquer tactics to try and marginalize real conservatives from the flim-flam Republicans going left. Chavez targeted opposition media much more forcefully because he has more power to do so. The difference is in degree.
I laughed when I read that "defenders of media freedom" are warning of the dangers of localism. Clear Channel's looking out for me!

Some smart talk about the Fairness Doctrine
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What Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have been telling their audiences is that any talk about the Fairness Doctrine is actually about trying to "silence" them. But of course, no one's interested in "silencing" anyone on the right: all we're talking about is creating a level playing field on the public airwaves so that a broad range of viewpoints can be heard instead of just one narrow bandwidth of ideology. This notion, naturally, is what they fear most, since their ideas don't compete well outside the vacuum they've created.

Frankly, even though at one time I was a full advocate of simply reinstituting the Fairness Doctrine, I no longer believe that's the wisest course. For one thing, the Doctrine didn't actually achieve what it was supposed to do, which was making for a rounded and robust political conversation; mostly it stifled it, in large part because it didn't address the structural defects involved.

The core problem is ownership: Radio station ownership in the past twenty years has been decidedly conservative. And anyone who's worked in media can tell you that ownership sets the tone and direction of what you do. After the Fairness Doctrine was removed, these wealthy right-wing owners effectively proved right one of the fears that drove the creation of the Fairness Doctrine in the first place: That the wealthy can and will dominate the political conversation on the public airwaves by simply buying up all the available space. Since the wealthy in this country are overwhelmingly conservative, the end result was not only predictable, it was in fact predicted.
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Rather than bring back the Fairness Doctrine, though, it might be better simply to reform the structure of how FCC licenses are distributed and make diversity of ownership a priority. That was the conclusion of a 2007 report from ThinkProgress that took a hard look at the issue and concluded that serious reform indeed was needed -- but that the Fairness Doctrine was not the way to go:

Along with other ideas, the report recommends that national radio ownership not be allowed to exceed 5 percent of the total number of AM and FM broadcast stations, and local ownership should not exceed more than 10 percent of the total commercial radio stations in a given market.
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Though there are others who can't resist though:

Michelle Malkin � Helen Thomas said what about Bobby Jindal?
...But it's hearsay. From the twitterer:
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In re: lots of Thomas questions - I overheard taping by a film crew fr Barcelona, & didn't get exact quote and don't know when taping, sorry
Even if an audio clip with an offensive Indian joke turns up (when's the ETA on the Michelle Obama clip?), we're comparing an inside-baseball reporter with the most famous and popular Conservative voice in America.

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The point being that looking at Rush as racist is exagerration when the left can get away with similar comments being brushed off. They would get away with more if right-wing talk radio was diminished. I hope that if any muzzling of talk-radio is allowed that it will be equally enforced on Oprah.
Well there's no audio video or transcript of Helen Thomas so I don't know what she "got away" with or is supposed to apologize for yet. Or, uh, Oprah. I certainly hope for the equal and just application of laws.
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Because nobody wants to.
You've got to be joking...

He's avoided it like the plague...
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You've got to be joking...

He's avoided it like the plague...
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You've got to be joking...

He's avoided it like the plague...
I don't know about that but Rush is asking Obama to debate him right now:

Rush Challenges Obama To Debate

Anyways, why would Obama tell conservatives not to listen to Rush unless he's using divide and conquer tactics? Obama doesn't want to compete, especially when it comes to the stimulus subject.

Why doesn't he tell conservatives "Rush is wrong because "x" reasons"? That would be at least a debate in the arena of ideas even if it's not a formal debate. These tactics are the same as Saul Alinsky tactics of community organizers. They are bullies. Obama reeks of entitlement therefore we shouldn't question him. Just look at mainstream media and their defense of him. There are some in the media that don't want to criticize and lampoon Obama because they don't want to be seen as attacking their own. If Rush Limbaugh's point of view is so useless and irrelevent then the left will want Rush to talk more and more because he would be his own worst enemy.

The reason all this is going on is because Obama is continuing Bush's overspending (giving up on cutting pork included in bills) and he's giving money to Gaza hoping Hamas won't abuse it. The failed stimulus and international affairs are open season for conservatives to exploit if they are not divided. It's a chess game that conservatives need to develop their concentration on and of course the other side of the chess board is not surprisingly wanting to divide and conquer the glowing embers of the conservatives in the Republican party.

Even this moderate is wavering a little:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/op...ooks.html?_r=1
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I don't know about that but Rush is asking Obama to debate him right now:
Why would the President of the United States want to debate a radio talk-show host?
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I don't know about that but Rush is asking Obama to debate him right now:

Rush Challenges Obama To Debate
It's been well documented that Rush has avoided and bowed out of real debate during his career. Why do you think he's so scared of the fairness doctrine? Of course the President isn't going to debate some am radio talk show host, and Rush knows that...

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Anyways, why would Obama tell conservatives not to listen to Rush unless he's using divide and conquer tactics? Obama doesn't want to compete, especially when it comes to the stimulus subject.

Why doesn't he tell conservatives "Rush is wrong because "x" reasons"? That would be at least a debate in the arena of ideas even if it's not a formal debate. These tactics are the same as Saul Alinsky tactics of community organizers. They are bullies. Obama reeks of entitlement therefore we shouldn't question him. Just look at mainstream media and their defense of him. There are some in the media that don't want to criticize and lampoon Obama because they don't want to be seen as attacking their own. If Rush Limbaugh's point of view is so useless and irrelevent then the left will want Rush to talk more and more because he would be his own worst enemy.
This is ridiculous. Show me just one item on the list of Saul Alinsky's tactics that Rush doesn't use... just one.

You are why people should listen to Rush. You actually get caught up and believe his hypocricy and lies.

Just one.
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I don't know about that but Rush is asking Obama to debate him right now:
Yeah, the President has nothing better to do.

Rush can debate Obama in 2012. He can win the primary and then he can have 3 debates, which I'm sure would be a delight to watch. Until then, he can piss off.
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Rush reminds me of a carnival pig, kind of the walking embodiment of self-indulgence with his enormous waistline, his extravagant lifestyle, his drug addictions, his obvious sexual compulsions (no one gets caught coming back from the DR with unprescribed Viagra without having engaged in some sort of sexual tourism), and his complete and utter disregard to claim any responsibility for the excesses. at least Rush has the money to pay for the consequences -- the abortions, the Valtrex, the hearing aid, the rehab, the expensive cardiologists, the baboon heart.

Rush can do whatever he likes, and he knows this.

it's just that the more you know about him, the more pathetic and shallow the Dittoheads look.
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I'd say that Carville, Begala, and the White House won the media battle for the week. The Limbaugh smokescreen has worked for now.....cable tv and the news magazines have taken the baton from Rahm and Barack.

It's change we can believe in.
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