Joseph Lowery's Racist Prayer - Page 4 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-22-2009, 05:47 PM   #46
Refugee
 
jphelmet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: cumming, ga usa
Posts: 1,386
Local Time: 09:46 AM
Quote:
it would be a better country, and world, if he were to become the face of American Christianity rather than Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson and, yes, W.

sounds like a very admirable person. you're lucky to have him so close.
just browsing the threads in here, by searching for his name. this is a quote from you (irvine511). it was in response to a thread that says he tithes 90% and doesn't take a salary from his church.

what am i missing? i didn't see his name in any thread titles.

is it you don't agree with his theology, or is there something shady in his past that makes you think he is all about money? honest question, all i know about him is he has a huge church and wrote purpose drive life.
__________________

__________________
jphelmet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2009, 06:08 PM   #47
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,334
Local Time: 06:46 AM
You really should find out more about Warren before you defend him. You may still think he warrants defense, but you'll be able to converse in a more informed way.
__________________

__________________
martha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2009, 06:41 PM   #48
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tempe, Az USA
Posts: 12,856
Local Time: 07:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jphelmet View Post
just browsing the threads in here, by searching for his name. this is a quote from you (irvine511). it was in response to a thread that says he tithes 90% and doesn't take a salary from his church.

what am i missing? i didn't see his name in any thread titles.

is it you don't agree with his theology, or is there something shady in his past that makes you think he is all about money? honest question, all i know about him is he has a huge church and wrote purpose drive life.
He is for traditional marriage, therefore in FYM he is despised.

<>
__________________
diamond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2009, 07:30 PM   #49
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,234
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by diamond View Post
He is for traditional marriage
See also: he doesn't think homosexuals deserve equal treatment under the law.
__________________
Diemen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 03:51 AM   #50
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Strong Badia
Posts: 3,429
Local Time: 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anitram View Post
I thought the Our Father was ridiculous, as were his repeated invocations of Jesus. These prayers are usually generic, but this one appealed to nobody outside of Christians.
Oh, for the love of pete.

First of all, government didn't endorse religion. Obama didn't pray to Jesus. Rick Warren did -- a conservative, evangelical pastor, who was invited by Obama, who shares a common Christianity, particularly when it comes to issues of global poverty and public health issues. Warren was asked to serve a particular function, which he served. His prayer was addressed to "Almighty God, our Father," which is a pretty generic term for God that Catholics, Muslims, Jews and Christians (who together constitute over 90% of Americans) generally pray in a form of. It was only at the end of the prayer that Warren referenced Jesus -- incidentally doing so by saying, "I pray this in the name of the man who changed my life" -- making the prayer specific to him. Sure, he used several different culturally-relevant usages of Jesus' name, but it was a singular reference at the end of a prayer that was well over five minutes long. (Even the "Our Father" doesn't reference Jesus' name.) In any event, he's allowed to do so -- both as a pastor and as a private citizen.

For pity's sake, can anyone remember Billy Graham's inaugural prayer from 1993, when he specifically prayed about how we as a nation had turned our backs on God and we needed to repent and turn back to Him? I would think that would be a much more offensive prayer.

And for those viewers counting at home, Billy Graham referenced Jesus in 2001, too.
__________________
nathan1977 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 04:00 AM   #51
ONE
love, blood, life
 
indra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 12,689
Local Time: 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
For pity's sake, can anyone remember Billy Graham's inaugural prayer from 1993, when he specifically prayed about how we as a nation had turned our backs on God and we needed to repent and turn back to Him? I would think that would be a much more offensive prayer.

And for those viewers counting at home, Billy Graham referenced Jesus in 2001, too.
Just because Billy Graham was offensive (and he was), doesn't mean Warren wasn't.

They BOTH were.
__________________
indra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 06:24 AM   #52
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,147
Local Time: 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
i've thought inviting Warren was a mistake from the beginning, and he lived up to why i thought it was a mistake. it's less that my belief system -- or lack of a belief system -- was threatened or offended, and more that i felt his direct prayer to Jesus was offensive to a multicultural society.
On the other hand, isn't his prayer to Jesus something that we should celebrate in a multicultural society? Was it wrong for President Obama to get up and declare his vision of the future and not some hodgepodge collective vision of it? No. Of course not. Our country is great because we allow for the sharing of ideas.

Let's stop trying to use the term "multicultural" as an intellectual prison. It simply doesn't mean that we all move to the safe middle in our ideas or practices. It means that we ALL strive to understand and coexist with those that don't share them with us.
__________________
Dalton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 06:52 AM   #53
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Zoomerang96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: canada
Posts: 13,459
Local Time: 08:46 AM
you americans are far too easily offended by just about everything.
__________________
Zoomerang96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 10:13 AM   #54
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,147
Local Time: 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoomerang96 View Post
you americans are far too easily offended by just about everything.
True. Except for torture. We have a surprisingly high tolerance for torture.
__________________
Dalton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 11:05 AM   #55
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BrownEyedBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras
Posts: 3,510
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diemen View Post
See also: he doesn't think homosexuals deserve equal treatment under the law.
And wasn't there a quote from Saddleback Church's website saying that homosexuals are able to attend but won't be accepted as members?
__________________
BrownEyedBoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 01:56 PM   #56
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,474
Local Time: 09:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jphelmet View Post
just browsing the threads in here, by searching for his name. this is a quote from you (irvine511). it was in response to a thread that says he tithes 90% and doesn't take a salary from his church.


i believe i was talking about Wallis.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 02:01 PM   #57
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,474
Local Time: 09:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
Oh, for the love of pete.

First of all, government didn't endorse religion. Obama didn't pray to Jesus. Rick Warren did -- a conservative, evangelical pastor, who was invited by Obama, who shares a common Christianity, particularly when it comes to issues of global poverty and public health issues. Warren was asked to serve a particular function, which he served. His prayer was addressed to "Almighty God, our Father," which is a pretty generic term for God that Catholics, Muslims, Jews and Christians (who together constitute over 90% of Americans) generally pray in a form of. It was only at the end of the prayer that Warren referenced Jesus -- incidentally doing so by saying, "I pray this in the name of the man who changed my life" -- making the prayer specific to him. Sure, he used several different culturally-relevant usages of Jesus' name, but it was a singular reference at the end of a prayer that was well over five minutes long. (Even the "Our Father" doesn't reference Jesus' name.) In any event, he's allowed to do so -- both as a pastor and as a private citizen.

For pity's sake, can anyone remember Billy Graham's inaugural prayer from 1993, when he specifically prayed about how we as a nation had turned our backs on God and we needed to repent and turn back to Him? I would think that would be a much more offensive prayer.

And for those viewers counting at home, Billy Graham referenced Jesus in 2001, too.


all good reasons why the Warren invitation was a bad idea.

Rev. Robinson did the job, and did the job well.

i wonder how we'd react if someone stood on the steps of the capital and chanted, "Namu-myoho-renge-kyo."
__________________
Irvine511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 03:01 PM   #58
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,272
Local Time: 09:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
incidentally doing so by saying, "I pray this in the name of the man who changed my life" -- making the prayer specific to him.
Of course he made it all about him, I expected a 1-800 number to be tacked on at the end.
__________________
anitram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 03:57 PM   #59
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,474
Local Time: 09:46 AM
it seems that some people want me to be offended because, 1) a christian was asked to lead the prayer, or that 2) Warren was "unashamed" to be a christian, or 3) that Warren talked about his God and prayed to that God. sadly, none of that is true.

at first, i found it offensive because i thought it was rude and disrespectful to others, and thinking about it a bit more, i find it offensive that he'd choose such an occasion to make such an occasion about himself.

but i suppose this is what modern evangelism is all about -- narcissism. granted, i totally prefer that to the fear and loathing of the fading Dr. Dobson and his ilk, but it's still not a flattering picture of contemporary conservative evangelicals.

i'm glad Obama atoned in his address.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 05:51 PM   #60
Refugee
 
Bluer White's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Maine
Posts: 1,882
Local Time: 09:46 AM
Saying the word Jesus a couple times? Cool.

Reciting the whole Our Father prayer? Way over the top for me.

I wasn't offended, but I was quite uncomfortable through the whole thing. And that was disappointing.
__________________

__________________
Bluer White is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com