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Old 01-22-2009, 01:33 PM   #31
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so if i said Allah, that would make my "fake" tolerance, look more realistic? i need to right this down, for future reference.

Did I say your tolerance was fake?
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I was startled when I watched it to see that Warren wasn't even trying to be nondenominational with his invocation, because that's the expected standard for public events. If you're going to have a prayer on such an occasion, it ain't that hard to compose a nice nondenominational one.
Are you correct?

that is how I remember it too.

it appears some have no Jesus,
some have a little


most do not have as much Jesus as Warren piled on

Presidential Inaugural Prayers and Sermons of Billy and Franklin Graham - 1989 Invocation

Presidential Inaugural Prayers and Sermons of Billy and Franklin Graham - 1993 Inaugural Invocation


Presidential Inaugural Prayers and Sermons of Billy and Franklin Graham - 2001 Inaugural Invocation


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Did I say your tolerance was fake?
no. if you really meant no sarcasm by you remark, i am sorry. its hard to tell sometimes.
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i'm sure Warren thought he was being brave and bold and audacious. you know, unafraid to love that Rebel from Nazareth in the face of growing secularity and a world that's hostile to Christians and all that self-serving stuff.
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i'm sure Warren thought he was being brave and bold and audacious. you know, unafraid to love that Rebel from Nazareth in the face of growing secularity and a world that's hostile to Christians and all that self-serving stuff.
i know very little about rick warren, but maybe, just maybe he really does loves the "rebel from nazareth" about anything else and thats all he was thinking.


who knows, maybe i am just too naive.
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no. if you really meant no sarcasm by you remark, i am sorry. its hard to tell sometimes.

You don't owe me an apology. I was asking a question, but I may have been a smart-ass about it.

I really do find it interesting that when Christians are trying to be tolerant in the face of a fellow Christian's intolerance and exclusion, they usually invoke Buddha. I suspect it's because they feel it's an inoffensive reference and not quite as loaded as invoking Allah, which may actually offend the Christian using the reference.
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i'm sure Warren thought he was being brave and bold and audacious. you know, unafraid to love that Rebel from Nazareth in the face of growing secularity and a world that's hostile to Christians and all that self-serving stuff.
Maybe he can see the writing on the wall and knows that the days of Christians writing US policy are numbered. Maybe he felt that he's going out, he's going out fighting.
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I really do find it interesting that when Christians are trying to be tolerant in the face of a fellow Christian's intolerance and exclusion, they usually invoke Buddha. I suspect it's because they feel it's an inoffensive reference and not quite as loaded as invoking Allah, which may actually offend the Christian using the reference.
interesting, i had never heard anyone use buddha as an example before, and
i have never used buddha as an example until this thread (was just off the top of my head). i really have no idea, neither are offensive to me.
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Ok.
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i know very little about rick warren, but maybe, just maybe he really does loves the "rebel from nazareth" about anything else and thats all he was thinking.


who knows, maybe i am just too naive.



Warren has books to sell. he loves much more than that "rebel from nazareth." which is an FYM inside joke, btw.

i'm fairly confident that his deliberate mentioning of Jesus in not one, not two, but four languages and then the recitation of the Lord's Prayer was meant to be a show of strength to his customers supporters.
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I think a prayer like that spits on the policy of separating church from state.
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I think a prayer like that spits on the policy of separating church from state.


are you trying to tell Rev. Warren that he's not allowed to be a Christian!!!

and i thought this country was founded on freedom of religion.
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Warren has books to sell. he loves much more than that "rebel from nazareth." which is an FYM inside joke, btw.

i'm fairly confident that his deliberate mentioning of Jesus in not one, not two, but four languages and then the recitation of the Lord's Prayer was meant to be a show of strength to his customers supporters.
wow. that is pretty cynical. i'm glad to know that FYM, has decided who is sincere and who is not.

like i said, i know very little about rick warren, how he spends his money, or how many books he sells. maybe he is a false 'profit'. i don't have a clue.

so if you sell a book you can't be sincere about your beliefs? or is there a just a cut off, that once you sell a certain number or make a certain amout of money, then you are no longer sincere?

what if all the money you make from the books you give away (i'm not talking about rick warren)? then you can still be sincere?
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I told a buddy of mine once that, while I practice Catholicism, I'm much closer to Athiesm (or at least Agnosticism) than I am to Catholicism. He replied, "How do you get up in the morning?" And he was completely serious.

There was a time when religion did a lot of good, I believe However, I no longer believe it does anymore good than it does bad.
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wow. that is pretty cynical. i'm glad to know that FYM, has decided who is sincere and who is not.

like i said, i know very little about rick warren, how he spends his money, or how many books he sells. maybe he is a false 'profit'. i don't have a clue.

so if you sell a book you can't be sincere about your beliefs? or is there a just a cut off, that once you sell a certain number or make a certain amout of money, then you are no longer sincere?

what if all the money you make from the books you give away (i'm not talking about rick warren)? then you can still be sincere?


firstly, i speak for me, not for FYM.

do you know anything about Rick Warren? perhaps you should go and read the thread on him.

the only positive thing i can say is that he is a step up from Falwell and Robertson and Dobson.

Rick Warren is not Bono. not even close.
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