Jorg Haider dead in car crash at 58 - Page 4 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-23-2008, 09:46 PM   #46
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,335
Local Time: 05:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by financeguy View Post
Your interpretation is most likely incorrect - Haider wasn't particularly closeted, and his homosexuality (or bisexuality) was well known in Austrian political and media circles.

I didn't know that. I don't follow Austrian politics all that carefully.
__________________

__________________
martha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2008, 11:10 PM   #47
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Vincent Vega's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Berlin
Posts: 6,615
Local Time: 02:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by financeguy View Post
Your interpretation is most likely incorrect - Haider wasn't particularly closeted, and his homosexuality (or bisexuality) was well known in Austrian political and media circles.

Indeed, if you look carefully, I alluded to these rumours myself, earlier in the thread, before it was publicly confirmed.

You are essentially making the mistake of assuming that US morality applies to other regions in the world.

I suspect that most of the people who voted for Haider's party don't actually care much about this, as he never put himself forward as homophobic in the first place.

But overall, much as I repudiate Haider's political philosophy, it doesn't say much for you that you think the tragic death of someone, who left behind a family, as a fit matter to have a big laugh and joke about.
German and Austrian right extremists and ultra-conservatives are not that different when it comes to homosexuality. I don't think you would find a openly gay person in the top ranks of any of the neo-Nazi parties, in neither European country, since they still despise everything that is not white, christian and hetero. Only exception is when they try to start alliances with islamic fundamentalists in their hatred against Jews.

Austrians are more qualified on that I guess, but, like this article refers to conservative Austrians being shocked, I haven't heard that word spread widely before about him being gay. German yellow-press Bild is to my knowledge the first that came up with that rumor showing him speaking to a guy in a bar before his fatal car ride.
__________________

__________________
Vincent Vega is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2008, 11:46 PM   #48
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,335
Local Time: 05:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by financeguy View Post
Your interpretation is most likely incorrect - Haider wasn't particularly closeted, and his homosexuality (or bisexuality) was well known in Austrian political and media circles.
Quote:
However the far right leader, who fathered two children with his wife Claudia, refused to discuss them, fearing that they would alienate thousands of his ultra conservative followers.

Your own article doesn't seem to back you up very well.
__________________
martha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2008, 12:48 AM   #49
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 02:18 AM
If you re-read the thread carefully, you will find that on page one, I speculated that Haider was gay. You will note that this was before the recent confirmation that he was, indeed, of that leaning.

Now, unless I am an unusually skilled clairvoyant, I do not think that it is particularly remarkable to deduce that it was fairly well known - before his death - that within certain media and political circles, it was no big secret - particularly as I have no access to said Austrian political and media circles, merely having, as any observer has, access to what I believe is known as a google internet device.

In point of fact, upon hearing of Jorg Haider's death, I googed his name, and on the first few pages there were links to German and Austrian media articles talking about his sexuality.
__________________
financeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2008, 12:54 AM   #50
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 11:18 AM
Not to mention the history of tolerated homosexuality in far right movements.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2008, 12:57 AM   #51
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 02:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Wanderer View Post
Not to mention the history of tolerated homosexuality in far right movements.

Can't be true, queers are all lovable lefties, right?
__________________
financeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2008, 03:44 AM   #52
Blue Crack Addict
 
last unicorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: lost in poetry
Posts: 19,446
Local Time: 02:18 AM
Rumors about Haider being gay have been around for a long time.

The "Special Relationship" that Petzner mentioned could mean anything. Of course there was a lot of speculation immediately after he said that in an interview.

The party was to elect Petzner as their new leader, but didn't, most people consider this to be the direct reaction to Petzner's public statements after Haider's death.

Some say the party won't be able to make it without Haider, because he was the charismatic leader and it was basically a one man show. I agree to a certain extent, I don't think they'll ever come close to their recent success without Haider as their leader.

Absurdity has just started to continue here because Haider still hasn't been buried (or cremated), since some people in the party and most of all his wife want to have the circumstances of his death examined even further. There has been talk about a conspiracy yesterday in the news.
__________________

__________________
last unicorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com