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Old 11-22-2011, 03:12 PM   #1
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JFK: WHAT RESONANCE Does He HAVE to People 40 YEARS Old and YOUNGER?

This thread is inspired by an article I was reading.


I was 10 years old when JFK was assassinated.

I knew it was wrong to do such a thing in general, AND
from the people around me- mostly on the more liberal side-
I took their cues of sadness/horror. Yes, I'm quite sure
that Centrists and more Moderate and somme Conservative
Republicans felt the same.

However it wouldn't be until later through articles, radio discussions
etc that I understood (according to certain POVs and parts of my own)
how much we might have lost.


Does he have any resonance/relevance to you today?


(unfortunately I don't have Net at home so I probably won't
see some responses until next week)
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:29 PM   #2
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I associate JFK and his speeches with a time when post WWII America still aspired to be great, instead of the business / political interest smash and grab that it is today.

All of that passed on with Nixon and Vietnam as we were reminded as a nation how shitty many people are. What's there to be happy about on a grand scale since the moon race and civil rights movement, besides an isolated pocket of brilliance (Silicon Valley) and the Soviet Union collapsing under its own ridiculous, groaning weight.

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I don't think he has the power of younger over young peoples imagination. As a leader, he did capture that imagination which is a huge part of leadership.

The world is different because he was a part of it. It isn't 1963 anymore. Obama and Clinton are his ideological/spiritual heirs but they have different challenges in a different time. When looking at 20th century presidents they do reflect their period in which they govern. Just like how music changes over time too.

He was the first television president and appeared outgoing and extroverted. Now no president could not afford to have a little bit of an MTV star in him. This wasn't the case prior to 1950.

Personally I am glad that more transparency is present in politics now then in the JFK era. The shit he got away with behind closed doors is unbelievable.
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Yes, I'm quite sure
that Centrists and more Moderate and somme Conservative
Republicans felt the same.
Can you elaborate? Surely you're not saying that only "some" on the right were horrified by his death...

I'd place him right about in the middle on the presidents list. A lot of the stuff I've read on him hardly ever gets mentioned by the people who idolize him. He was not strong on civil rights, he treated his security people like crap, he was a known cheater, and he only wanted to go to the moon to beat the Soviets, not because he thought what NASA was doing was important. And that's not mentioning Bay of Pigs and the obvious stuff. He was not a skilled politician (same way Obama isn't), and he would never get the nomination of today's party.

To answer the OP question, no- to me, JFK's presidency is one of the more inconsequential ones of the 20th century. Kennedy's legacy is much more in what he represented (the excitement, the youth, the hope, etc.) than in what he actually accomplished. I can really only think of the flaws when I think of his presidency.
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He was not a skilled politician (same way Obama isn't)
Considering the things Obama has actually accomplished with such a bitterly divisive, partisan and obstructionist Congress, I wonder what the threshold is that would make him a skilled politician.
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I'm over the age of 40, but I don't understand your question.

All of us under the age of 100 are not the first
people to live on the planet.

A good reason, I think, why we should study history.

When I read about JFK or Edgar Allen Poe, I'm reading about real
people who lived a life.

If you are restricting yourself to just now, you are missing everything before.
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i liken to JFKs and Lennons death to a world that isn't really as liberal as it should/could be.

Sad.
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i liken to JFKs and Lennons death to a world that isn't really as liberal as it should/could be.

Sad.


If you think JFK was a liberal, you should do some reading.
He was, in my opinion, the last true conservative Democratic
president.


And some more research on Lennon also.
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If you think JFK was a liberal, you should do some reading.
He was, in my opinion, the last true conservative Democratic
president.

And some more research on Lennon also.
Any examples of Lennon or JFK that would make them a conservative?
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Any examples of Lennon or JFK that would make them a conservative?

Here's one on JFK:
Was John F. Kennedy a Conservative? - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

Of course, opinions vary.



And Lennon?

You should read the lyrics to the last song he wrote.
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Here's one on JFK:
[url=http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/455027/was_john_f_kennedy_a_conservative.html]Was John F. Kennedy a Conservative? - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com[/url
You're linking to an article from an internet content farm where the only motivation is generating search engine hits. It was bought by Yahoo.

You may as well be linking to a Wikipedia edit by a 12 year old in Cambodia.

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Published by Teri O'Connor

mom, photographer, Real Estate Agent, writer, middle aged college student, dog owner. These are a few words to describe myself. A native of Southern California, I have lived my entire life as a Valley Girl... View profile
Good to know she's a dog-owner, though. I feel like this lends her a bit more integrity where it really matters.
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Here's one on JFK:
Was John F. Kennedy a Conservative? - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

Of course, opinions vary.

And Lennon?

You should read the lyrics to the last song he wrote.
I like when people think for themselves and post their own opinions and then back it up, not one other person's agenda driven opinion.

Which song do you speak of?
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I like when people think for themselves and post their own opinions and then back it up, not one other person's agenda driven opinion.

Which song do you speak of?

The first two lines:

Well, I tried so hard to settle down
but, the Angel of Destruction keeps houndin' me all around
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The first two lines:

Well, I tried so hard to settle down
but, the Angel of Destruction keeps houndin' me all around
And this makes him conservative how?
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