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Old 04-22-2009, 02:46 PM   #16
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oh, and FWIW, though the op-ed is entertaining and well written in that Will-way, he totally misses the point on why jeans are so popular.
I didn't know there was something that George Will hasn't missed the point on.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:47 PM   #17
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Do they even know you're online right now, missy?
No. I'm supposed to be cooking. Gotta have "supper" ready when they get in the door from work. Men can't be expected to do anything for themselves! ....I'm assuming that Mr. Will is operating on that time travel theory.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:48 PM   #18
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Toronto wishes it were like NY. Or anywhere that's actually cool lol.

And they try so hard...
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I didn't know there was something that George Will hasn't missed the point on.


as conservatives go, he's one of the good ones, in that Peggy Noonan kind of way.
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what is your opinion on the gay jean?
Are those Guess? jeans...?
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as conservatives go, he's one of the good ones, in that Peggy Noonan kind of way.
I've always thought him to be a douchebag, but I like Peggy. She's one of the few conservative women that doesn't make me ashamed of my gender.
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Wow, that guy is so right.

*tears off jeans, starts bonfire*
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:03 PM   #23
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Wow, that guy is so right.

*tears off jeans, starts bonfire*
As long as your bra doesn't go in there too, George is fine with it.
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Are those Guess? jeans...?


Diesel.

or Levis, if you're a bit more low-rent like me.

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Old 04-22-2009, 03:06 PM   #25
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Sure enough, this is already in Will's Wikipedia bio under "Controversies."

I had a teacher in 8th grade (this was back in the 80s, mind you) who used to make an impromptu speech very much like this in class every few months. In his case I could understand it, because he'd grown up in a sharecropping family which of course was a very exploitative line of work, so he associated denim with drudgery and discrimination and a socioeconomic system meant to keep certain groups trapped at the bottom, and for him wearing a suit to work every day, even though his wages could only afford him a couple worn and faded ones, made an important statement about self-respect and an expectation that others would treat him in a certain way. My parents never wore jeans either, though they didn't have those kinds of associations with them; more like Will's idea that they're basically kids' clothing, what you wear when you're going to be playing in the dirt. But they recognized that jeans had become recontextualized in the popular mindset at some point, and they never objected to us wearing them to high school or off to college. By the time I was in college and grad school, I had professors who always wore jeans to teach as well as professors who always wore suits; it didn't provoke any mental comparisons about how scholarly the one group came across compared to the other or anything like that. If your clothing always looks shabby and frumpy--regardless of whether it's jeans and fleece, suit and tie, skirt and blouse or whatever--then yeah, in that case it can sometimes have the effect of disinclining students to see you as "having it together." But not merely because of the general type of garment. Jeans just don't have those kinds of intrinsic connotations anymore. Of course in most careers you wouldn't wear them to a major professional conference or something, and in many workplaces they're not appropriate for daily wear either, but then you're not going to be wearing cheap elastic-waist slacks in those environments either.

Pointing to Fred Astaire and Grace Kelly as role models for the conventional workplace, and quoting Edmund Burke lamenting the decline of aristocratic aesthetic self-segregation which had nothing to do with professionalism, really doesn't help his argument.
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i look mighty cute in them jeans.
i've seen this myself.
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In other news, Americans like to wear inexpensive, durable clothes.
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As long as your bra doesn't go in there too, George is fine with it.
whoa whoa whoa, if Cori wants to burn all of her clothes, who are we to stand in the way?
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whoa whoa whoa, if Cori wants to burn all of her clothes, who are we to stand in the way?
Pete Campbell, is that you?!
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Diesel.

or Levis, if you're a bit more low-rent like me.
501's ftw.
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