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Old 06-09-2009, 10:46 PM   #121
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That is a ridiculous statement. Do you defend it? Do you dismiss it?
Ridiculous in what way? Ridiculous in that it shouldn't be said as a public figure? I agree with that. She should never have said it.

But it's closer to the truth than not.
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a person with almost the same background as Sotomayor would be
Alberto Gonzalez

would he reach a better conclusion than an old white man who has not lived that life, like John Paul Stevens?
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I believe Sotomayor's statement referred to women, deep.
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It's really not that difficult of a statement, I have no clue why it's being twisted the way it is...
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Bush had minority women from broken homes on his list.

Would you prefer them over a couple more John Stevens?
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Bush had minority women from broken homes on his list.

Would you prefer them over a couple more John Stevens?
Are we asking that every other factor be removed from the table?

Those that have used these quotes to do exactly this are trying to cause a distraction.
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:33 PM   #127
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It's really not that difficult of a statement, I have no clue why it's being twisted the way it is...

it suggest a bias

not a good quality for a judge.
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it suggest a bias

not a good quality for a judge.
Name a judge that we couldn't find something that suggests a bias.

To me the quote was obvious. "...than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

"hasn't lived that life" to me is the key part there.

The reason we have a Supreme Court is because laws are up to interpretation. That's just humanity.

If I were a woman, or a religious, ethnic, sexual preference minority I would feel at least a little more comfort knowing there is diversity amongst those making the decision.

I've met people void of empathy(hell I've seen them in here), scary scary people.

I AM a white(very white) straight, protestant male. But I wouldn't want my jury to be made up of all white, straight, protestant males.
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To me the quote was obvious. "...than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

"hasn't lived that life" to me is the key part there.


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Do you know who John Paul Stevens is?

He is a white male who hasn't lived that life.


This woman



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Born in Greenville, Alabama, Brown is an Alabama sharecropper's daughter who attended segregated majority African American schools as a child. Her family refused to enter places of business that segregated blacks.[1] She earned her B.A. from California State University, Sacramento in 1974 and her Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from the UCLA School of Law in 1977. She worked her own way through law school while being a single mother. In addition, she received an LL.M. degree from the University of Virginia School of Law in 2004.

Brown has said that when she was young, she was so liberal in her politics that she was almost Maoist.
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Sotomayor will get a better shake than Miguel Estrada got for the D.C. court. He didn't even get a hearing.

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Born in Honduras, Estrada came to the United States at 17, taught himself English and went on to graduate Phi Beta Kappa from Columbia University and magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, where he was also an editor of the law review.

Estrada then served as a law clerk to Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, and later as an assistant U.S. solicitor general, where he argued 15 cases before the U.S. Supreme Court and won 10.

The stakes were high. Had Estrada taken his seat on the prestigious D.C. Circuit Court, it would have left him within striking distance of going on to become the first Hispanic on the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Do you know who John Paul Stevens is?

He is a white male who hasn't lived that life.

Yes, I know who he is.

Like I said, I understand the quote but it doesn't and shouldn't eliminate all the other factors one looks for in a judge.
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a person with almost the same background as Sotomayor would be
Alberto Gonzalez


yes, they all tend to look alike.
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You could be right.

She definitely benefited from affirmative action.



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how do you know this? what do you mean by "affirmative action"?

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"I am a product of affirmative action," Sotomayor said in a 1994 interview. "I am the perfect affirmative action baby."

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Sotomayor has said she too had benefited from having her test results ignored.

In an interview in the 1990s, she said her "test scores were not comparable to that of my colleagues at Princeton or Yale -- [but] not so far off the mark that I wasn't able to succeed at those institutions."

"But," she added, "if we had gone through the traditional numbers route of those institutions, it would have been highly questionable whether I would have been accepted."


Sotomayor embracing affirmative action, then and now - Los Angeles Times

If you support affirmative action, you should support Sotomayer.

I do.
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Sotomayor embracing affirmative action, then and now - Los Angeles Times

If you support affirmative action, you should support Sotomayer.

I do.


can we agree that W. Bush benefited from white affirmative action?

and, likely, so did most people who's fathers went to all-male colleges?
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can we agree that W. Bush benefited from white affirmative action?
I think W, you and I always get in the door, because we are white males.

Am I stunned that rich people get privileges?
Is that really a question?
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