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Old 05-28-2009, 07:44 PM   #61
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I have a last name that can be pronounced at least two different ways, maybe three. It's Croatian, but people think it's Russian or Polish. I correct them all the time, and sometimes not. I didn't think I was being arrogant when I pronounced it for them. How many have I offended?
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I have a last name that can be pronounced at least two different ways, maybe three. It's Croatian

Martha Croatian,
that's easy enough. (it's pronounced the same way as the nationality, right?)
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I have a last name that can be pronounced at least two different ways, maybe three. It's Croatian, but people think it's Russian or Polish. I correct them all the time, and sometimes not. I didn't think I was being arrogant when I pronounced it for them. How many have I offended?
I have a Croatian last name too, courtesy of my Dad.
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:19 PM   #64
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I have a Croatian last name too, courtesy of my Dad.

I married mine. My maiden name was a good, solid, Anglo-Saxon name shared by a famous actor (no relation, dammit).

It was also frequently mispronounced.


I must have been arrogant even when I was the right nationality.
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I must have been arrogant even when I was the right nationality.


Honestly, I understand the concept of adaptability as an immigrant, but I don't really think that there is a "Spanish sounding" pronunciation of her name, there is just her bloody name, period.

I'm more concerned about yuppie parents who spell "normal" names in such ways that they're almost pronounceable, lest their children be "unique."
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I'm more concerned about yuppie parents who spell "normal" names in such ways that they're almost pronounceable, lest their children be "unique."

And then the kids get pissed when you can't pronounce it at all because the spelling makes no sense phonetically.
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oh no, it looks like she may have ties to radical separatist groups

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Sonia Sotomayor 'La Raza member'

11:20 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs


President Obama Announces Sonia Sotomayor As His Supreme Court Nominee

As President Obama's Supreme Court nominee comes under heavy fire for allegedly being a "racist," Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of La Raza, a group that's promoted driver's licenses for illegal aliens, amnesty programs, and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police.

According the American Bar Association, Sotomayor is a member of the NCLR, which bills itself as the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the U.S.

Meaning "the Race," La Raza also has connections to groups that advocate the separation of several southwestern states from the rest of America.
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This is almost better than the gay chick.
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Seems like everyone has those ties these days...

Palin had ties, Perry has ties, all these patriotic Americans apparently have ties to people that want to leave...
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This is almost better than the gay chick.

i know, right? the "generalized disapproval" of "Mexicans" -- read: Mexicans, Central Americans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, etc. -- is far more widespread and is actually a greater source of racist panic in this country than is the fear of homosexual recruitment by powerful lesbians and sneaky, stealthy gay priests and teachers and boy scout leaders.

it's astonishing to me how her nomination is now just about race. or at least it is about the NOT RACIST conservative white males.

as if it never occurred to anyone that Bush may well have selected his SCOTUS nominees on the basis of race and gender.

and people wonder why people of color tend to laugh at the concept of a "colorblind" society. the only people who are never judged on their color tend to be white people, and tend to be white males as well. no one questions your qualifications as a white male, but if there's, say, an eminently qualified Puerto Rican woman who went to Princeton (and graduated summa cum laude) and then Yale Law and is as qualified as absolutely anyone else, THEN we say, "she was picked because she was a woman! because she's a puerto rican! obviously!"

does it not occur to these critics that most of the elderly white male heterosexual protestants have received preferential treatment far more ingrained and institutionalized than whatever Ms. Sotomayor may or may not have achieved? do we really think that GWB would have gotten into Yale and Harvard had he not been surname Bush? if he had been a poor Puerto Rican girl born in the projects in the Bronx, would he have wound up president any way?

it actually really pisses me off. and how there's been affirmative action for most of the people in power in this country. i went to a prestigious liberal arts college that accepts fewer than 20% of it's applicants. a good friend of mine was a legacy. he was smart, good grades and scores and all that, but what lifted him in was the legacy. his father, who's in his 60s, who's precisely the same age as, say, Sen. Sessions or Gingrich, didn't even have to formally apply when he was an undergrad. the principal of his private high school simply called the Dean of Admissions and said, "i've got a kid who would make a good fit." and boom, done. he was accepted. and let's not forget the fact that many of these schools were all-male until the late 1960s or even 1970s. this is not that long ago. and, to compound matters, and as seen in the grades of GWB (and Gore, and Kerry), there is no way anyone coasts along on the "Gentleman's C" anymore and then still glides into, say, Penn Law in the way that it was possible now 40 years ago.

it just drives me crazy, how Ms. Sotomayor will be forced to prove her worth in a way that we'd never, ever ask of Roberts or Alito.

as for the single quote that has been brought up by INDY and Newt, all that she was saying is that experience as an outsider can often inform one's outlook and likely it can breed precisely the type of empathy that Obama is talking about. and what's he talking about? the fact that a judge knows exactly what it is like to be the subject of laws that are often applied disproportionately to minorities. example: how much more severely crack is viewed than regular cocaine.

it's really not that offensive a thing, and it's really not that crazy a thing. it's something that universities have been pushing for years, and businesses as well. why are both such seemingly opposite things so obsessed with diversity? because, in the classroom, the diversity of background makes for a richer, more complex classroom dynamic especially in the humanities, and in the board room, the diversity of background makes it easier to sell whatever products to whatever group of people. i don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that a poor Puerto Rican girl from the projects is going to have a slightly different take on the world than a third-generation Princeton legacy from Greenwich, CT. and while that doesn't act as a qualifier, per se, upon reaching a basic level of qualification, which Ms. Sotomayor certainly has achieved, it might become a distinctive quality upon which a final decision is made.
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as if it never occurred to anyone that Bush may well have selected his SCOTUS nominees on the basis of race and gender.
Why use Bush when you've got better.

Ronald Reagan:

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Within the guidelines of excellence, appointments can carry enormous symbolic significance. This permits us to guide by example, to show how deep our commitment is and to give meaning to what we profess.

One way I intend to live up to that commitment is to appoint a woman to the Supreme Court.

I am announcing today that one of the first Supreme Court vacancies in my administration will be filled by the most qualified woman I can find, one who meets the high standards I will demand for all my appointments.

It is time for a woman to sit among our highest jurists. I will also seek out women to appoint to other federal courts in an effort to bring about a better balance on the federal bench.
But it's the evil libruls that are about identity politics.
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I would hope that a wise woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a male who hasn't lived that life. -- Ronald Reagan
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I would hope that a wise woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a male who hasn't lived that life. -- Ronald Reagan
What a sexist pig.
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I would hope that a wise Catholic with the richness of their experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Protestant or Jew who hasn't lived that life.
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Within the guidelines of excellence, appointments can carry enormous symbolic significance. This permits us to guide by example, to show how deep our commitment is and to give meaning to what we profess.

One way I intend to live up to that commitment is to appoint a woman to the Supreme Court.

I am announcing today that one of the first Supreme Court vacancies in my administration will be filled by the most qualified woman I can find, one who meets the high standards I will demand for all my appointments.

It is time for a woman to sit among our highest jurists. I will also seek out women to appoint to other federal courts in an effort to bring about a better balance on the federal bench.

This is the problem with documenting history. It's too easy to point out hypocrisy...
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What a sexist pig.


the difference, of course, is that Republicans are colorblind and genderblind, and they're not beholden to special interest groups and they don't measure individuals on the basis of anything beyond their resume and demonstrated competence.

therefore, when they nominate women and minorities to things, it's because they truly do deserve it and not because they're pandering for votes from angry blocks of the population who have been shackled by the welfare system of dependency. Republicans nominate those who have stood on their own two feet and told us all that it doesn't matter if they're a female or a person of color, or both (but not gay, of course), anyone can succeed in America, because when Republicans are in charge, people rise and fall on the basis of merit alone.







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