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Please, I must respectfully note that all this rhetoric about "self-hating Jews" and Nazis and whatever in this is really getting petty and silly, and I think does a disservice in trying to elevate the discourse here. Anyone can agree or disagree with me, but, if anything, that's what I've been trying to do with my posts here. The tone of the discourse in this thread is starting to become embarrassing.
I'm not embarassed to call a spade a spade, and I'm not interested in 'elevating a discourse' if it involves ignoring what has happened in the past two weeks. Perhaps you're embarrassed that your dollars support war crimes, or perhaps your implicit assumption that the Palestinians are instinctive terrorists is false. Land belongs to the people who own it. I take it you have no problem with Irvine's insinuations that critics of Israel are anti-Semites.
I am willing to accept the possibility of Hamas becoming "mainstream," much like the PLO/Fatah turned from a violent terrorist organization in the 1960s and 70s into a comparatively moderate governing entity. Additionally, it is likely unrealistic to expect Hamas to cease to exist; and thus, much as many are ready to vigorously protest Israel's behaviour in this conflict and others, it is both appropriate and imperative for people to demand Hamas to act as a mature governing force. Fatah, for all its corruption and other shortcomings, has proved itself trustworthy enough for good faith negotiations. Hezbollah and Hamas, on the other hand, have anything but. This does not preclude the possibility of both of these entities moderating, but we have to put as much pressure on these two entities and their Middle Eastern backers just as much as people are re
Terms such as 'terrorist' are easily thrown around. This is predicated on the highly dodgy assumption that it's the dastardly Palestinians that are the source of the problem. Actually, it's the Israeli aggression and land theft that is the source of most of the problems. And I imagine that as long as Israeli aggression and land theft carries on, Palestinian resistance will continue, and Americans will continue to delude themselves that their dollars support the peaceful and just solution, whereas in reality precisely the opposite is the case.
To be blunt, Palestine unfree will never be at peace.
I do not accept a framework which puts Israeli and Palestinian grievances on the same plane, never mind one which assumes that Israeli grievances are superior.