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Old 01-09-2009, 05:02 PM   #316
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You should really try and back up your shit generalizations for once...

Why don't you show me specifics of where you get this impression, otherwise just stop making them, they make you look incredibly ignorant.
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Hamas can say all they want, big deal. Israel has the 5th biggest army and the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world, it's existence isn't in threat.
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Hamas are murderous scum, but Israeli is no better, and neither want peace.
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Oh look a Israeli powerpuff piece about their wonderful friendly troops and those lying arabs, unfortunately for Israel the neutrals on the ground such as the UN, International Red Cross and Amnesty tell a completely different story, and the UN has the bodies to prove it.

In Europe at the moment there is a palpable anger at not just their murderous campaign, but also their cack handed efforts at managing the PR.
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And what exactly is so moral about herding up civilians into a house then shelling it? Or IDF murderers sitting chatting next to a room of starving toddlers huddled around their dead mothers body?

8 Israeli dead, 770 Palestinian dead, you're right there is no moral equivalency. The Palestinian dead aren't an illusion or a trick, the actions of Hamas are no cover for the well documented crimes of the IDF in this current action.
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:04 PM   #317
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are you sure you want to be associated with the other Ron Paul supporters?

seems kind of specious reasoning to me.
Good response, but I saw it coming a mile off.

The strictures don't apply to me, because I don't believe in multiculturism and have never claimed to, and though I disagree with white nationalists, as a conservative I also understand where they are coming from.

I don't claim to be liberal and progressive. Yourself and Melon presumably do, and on this issue you're on the side of the neo-cons, Ann Coulter, and people who think the UN is a left wing conspiracy. Maybe that should worry you.
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:09 PM   #318
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Here's a sample.
Epic fail my friend, epic.

All the quotes were from one poster and none of them really spoke to the impression you made.

One poster = all liberals?

A SHIT generalization, like usual.

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I don't claim to be liberal and progressive. Yourself and Melon presumably do, and on this issue you're on the side of the neo-cons, Ann Coulter, and people who think the UN is a left wing conspiracy. Maybe that should worry you.


oh goodness.

i think for myself. i really haven't taken a position on this issue, i've only tried to point out *why* Israel does some of the things it does, and i've also tried to point out *why* Hamas does some of the things it does. i've always felt very paralyzed by this issue, and i do have a natural sort of resistance to anyone who comes out too hard-line on either side, and i've had more exposure to more hard-line folks on the "left" of this issue.

so, no, i'm not in the slightest bit worried, and you're doing right now what you accuse me of doing all the time on gay issues -- saying that anyone who takes even a slightly different stance than i do is a "bigot."

maybe that should worry you?
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:20 PM   #320
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oh goodness.

i think for myself. i really haven't taken a position on this issue, i've only tried to point out *why* Israel does some of the things it does, and i've also tried to point out *why* Hamas does some of the things it does. i've always felt very paralyzed by this issue, and i do have a natural sort of resistance to anyone who comes out too hard-line on either side, and i've had more exposure to more hard-line folks on the "left" of this issue.

so, no, i'm not in the slightest bit worried, and you're doing right now what you accuse me of doing all the time on gay issues -- saying that anyone who takes even a slightly different stance than i do is a "bigot."

maybe that should worry you?
But jeepers, you're on the same side as STING2 and Purplesocar.
You're on the same side as the craziest posters on the entire forum.
Granted, they can plead the insanity defense.
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Epic fail my friend, epic.

All the quotes were from one poster and none of them really spoke to the impression you made.

One poster = all liberals?

A SHIT generalization, like usual.

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Israel is a terrorist nation.
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I understand it's the same old Israel killing innocent Palestinians but a mass murdering of people is appalling in any situation.
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I'd love to hear how the deaths of 300 civilians is a good thing.
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And we demand security for Israel – rightly – but overlook this massive and utterly disproportionate slaughter by Israel.
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300+ people die at once when Israel attacks, single digits die over the last couple years by Hamas attacks. Do you really need to jump to bias to explain this?
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Or perhaps - maybe I'm just batshit crazy - killing civilians isn't the answer??!?
How many more do I need before it becomes an accurate generalization? If Israel can't have civilian casualties then they can't destroy Hamas terrorists or ammunition because of the chance of casualties is going to be great. This makes Israel handcuffed. They would be forced into inaction. This is my impression.
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But jeepers, you're on the same side as STING2 and Purplesocar.
You're on the same side as the craziest posters on the entire forum.
Granted, they can plead the insanity defense.
If you call me insane one more time I will air your hypocritical private message.
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But jeepers, you're on the same side as STING2 and Purplesocar.
You're on the same side as the craziest posters on the entire forum.
Granted, they can plead the insanity defense.


i'm not on anyone's side on this issue.

jesus, back off.

though you're doing a good job of exemplifying the kind of thinking that characterizes this issue.

very meta of you?
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:25 PM   #324
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i'm not on anyone's side on this issue.

jesus, back off.

though you're doing a good job of exemplifying the kind of thinking that characterizes this issue.

very meta of you?
I'm not really up with the murdering kids kind of policy.

Old fashioned morality, I call it.

A sense of right and wrong.

I guess I lack 'nuance'.
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I'm not really up with the murdering kids kind of policy.

Old fashioned morality, I call it.

A sense of right and wrong.

I guess I lack 'nuance'.


call it whatever you want. i don't care.

but it obviously gives you a powerful kick of feel-good self-righteousness, so keep at it!
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If you call me insane one more time I will air your hypocritical private message.
I'll spare you the trouble.

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been drinking tonight, FG?
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you're more aggressive than Israel. as disproportionate, too.



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Old 01-09-2009, 05:50 PM   #330
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you're more aggressive than Israel. as disproportionate, too.
I don't think that is factually accurate.
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