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Old 08-24-2014, 12:47 AM   #106
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Palestinian 4 year old girls don't count...


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And who said that BVS?

What's up with this body count?

Do you view all of this as a video game?
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Old 08-24-2014, 01:17 AM   #107
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I was reading an article somewhere that instead of "Palestine" - we (the nations that won WWII) should have given the Jewish people the best lands of Germany - instead some arid land in the Middle East.

I have some issue with this "promised land" and "chosen people" mentality. As a Christian that now completely rejects the Old Testament as canon - I fail to see why so many fundamentalist Christians think they force God into the "end times" by encouraging the fight between Israel and her neighbors.

However, I'm no fan of Hamas or radical Islam either. I just don't see why we give Israel so much more support than we do other moderate Arab countries (or for that matter - small ancient tribes that have been around for thousands of years and are now threatened with extinction).
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Old 08-24-2014, 05:07 AM   #108
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And who said that BVS?



What's up with this body count?



Do you view all of this as a video game?

What is your problem?

You point it out on one side, but not the other...

Why?


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Old 08-24-2014, 07:50 AM   #109
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I was reading an article somewhere that instead of "Palestine" - we (the nations that won WWII) should have given the Jewish people the best lands of Germany - instead some arid land in the Middle East.
I wasn't entirely joking earlier on when I mentioned that it would've been better if California had been given to the Jewish people.
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Old 08-24-2014, 01:03 PM   #110
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I wasn't entirely joking earlier on when I mentioned that it would've been better if California had been given to the Jewish people.
Maybe Northern California...I love SoCal.
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Maybe Northern California...I love SoCal.
Maybe in the initial agreement, but then Israel might've invaded SoCal and claimed it for themselves as well. Tough luck for you.
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I was reading an article somewhere that instead of "Palestine" - we (the nations that won WWII) should have given the Jewish people the best lands of Germany - instead some arid land in the Middle East.
That's just naive. Most survivors either wanted to get away from Europe, or they wanted to go back to what once were their home. Not be given something somewhere in the country. Long-term, that also would have created new conflicts.
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Long-term, that also would have created new conflicts.
As opposed to the current situation?
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Old 08-25-2014, 04:16 AM   #114
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No, like the current situation. The idea that there was some solution and if we had just taken that route we would all be shiny happy people today is naive.
By the European nations, largely, there was no willingness to take in all the Jewish survivors returning. Many survivors, on the other hand, were not eager to return to the neighbours who just a few years earlier bullied them into submission and then took their possessions.
Giving them the "best lands" would neither have been wanted by the survivors nor by the European nations (neither victors nor losers).

The "if only..." is a very moot point to me.
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The only even remotely 'happy' solution would have been the British hanging onto their mandate long enough to lock in something vaguely tolerable to both sides. But in 1948 the British were ruined.
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The only even remotely 'happy' solution would have been the British hanging onto their mandate long enough to lock in something vaguely tolerable to both sides. But in 1948 the British were ruined.
That's an interesting point. Do you have any links to more information on that?
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1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Well yeah, that. I was just spouting what I thought was vaguely general knowledge, like saying that Britain gave up India because it was, likewise, economically and morally exhausted.
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Well yeah, that. I was just spouting what I thought was vaguely general knowledge, like saying that Britain gave up India because it was, likewise, economically and morally exhausted.
What I was interested in was the notion that you thought peace between Israel and the Palestinians would have actually been possible....
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Peace, maybe not. I didn't actually use the word peace. But if they were something like territorial equals in the former Palestine (mandate), that might be a different situation.
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