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Old 07-30-2014, 10:30 AM   #31
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I think it's very interesting that Israel is the only nation in the world that has a "right" to exist. That term is simply not bandied about anywhere else.



Why don't Chechnya or Kurdistan have a "right" to exist?

Most other countries don't have organizations at their southern borders with stated desires to destroy them.

(Although I don't really know why the international community doesn't use that language for Chechnya or Kurdistan.)

Regardless, I think that it's fundamentally absurd for any nation to claim a right to exist based on religion or ethnic heritage. I also think that it's absurd for governments to be anything but totally secular. But that argument can be applied against both the Israeli state and a Palestinian state in the absence of Israel.


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Old 07-31-2014, 12:49 PM   #32
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I feel the same way. I just wish they would go ahead with a ceasefire, even if this sort of conflict has been going on for decades.

Islamists terrorists are bent on the destruction of Israel and
the Jewish people. It's not about the land.

The Arabs were offered land.

In 1948, the United Nations declared that the British territory known as Palestine would be divided into two independent countries: Israel and Palestine.

Arab leaders rejected the declaration.
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Arab leaders rejected the declaration.
Perhaps because they had been living there long before the Brits and objected to the idea of occupiers dividing up their land as they saw fit?
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Islamists terrorists are bent on the destruction of Israel and
the Jewish people. It's not about the land.

The Arabs were offered land.

In 1948, the United Nations declared that the British territory known as Palestine would be divided into two independent countries: Israel and Palestine.

Arab leaders rejected the declaration.
Europeans didn't want to have to deal with the Jewish refugees from World War II so they demanded Palestinians cough up half of their land.
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It would've been so much easier if they'd given the Jews California. Much bigger, so easier to fit all the people who want to live there. And the US is big enough to absorb those who lived in California before.
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It would've been so much easier if they'd given the Jews California.
Hollywood by itself wasn't enough?

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Old 07-31-2014, 07:21 PM   #37
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I think I remember reading that a part of Argentina was another option.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:40 PM   #38
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Not often I can't even make it through an article After a reported 17 warnings on shelter location, Israeli artillery hits Gaza school, killing 19
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It's pretty much a shitty situation from either side. I can't really judge as I don't know enough on the situation, but I don't think in a situation this big there is only one party at fault.
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Europeans didn't want to have to deal with the Jewish refugees from World War II so they demanded Palestinians cough up half of their land.
Ding ding ding.

I don't mean this as opposition to or support of either side, but I think the window of international support for Israel is rapidly closing. Especially in the US, the people who seem to be the loudest advocates for Israel are people who grew up with World War II as a prominent part of the lives, either in fact or in legend: essentially Baby Boomers, the ones who see WWII as the all-encompassing good vs evil war. As that generation fades from political prominence, Israel will become less and less a priority in the USA. My impression is that other Western countries are not terribly sympathetic to Israel - hell, in Montreal a few weeks ago I saw Hasidic Jews marching in favor of Palestinians, carrying Israeli flags with a giant red x over them. I think Israel would be wise to broker a dual-state agreement with the Palestinians in the near future.
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But is that even possible? I think we may have passed a point of no return.
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But is that even possible? I think we may have passed a point of no return.
I think you may be right here, both sides are in far too deep now to just stop and go back to ceasefire... it's a gigantic mess.
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I guess it's cached because someone kindly pointed that writer to Article III c) of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide?


It's also applicable to individuals
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