Israel

[deep]

Originally Posted by digitize

I sure as hell wouldn't want to live anywhere in the Middle East that isn't Israel.

The disturbing thing about your statement is that you or I could live in Israel.

All we would have to do is convert and immigrate. We could even get good housing in a settlement on land stolen from Palestinians that have been there for hundreds of years. They are removed from their homes and put behind barricades while non-middle eastern people are invited in by Israel to take over their property.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by deep

The disturbing thing about your statement is that you or I could live in Israel.

All we would have to do is convert and immigrate. We could even get good housing in a settlement on land stolen from Palestinians that have been there for hundreds of years. They are removed from their homes and put behind barricades while non-middle eastern people are invited in by Israel to take over their property.

Stolen land?

I don't know of any other people in history who have a more
legitimate claim to a strip of land than the Jews.

Also, there has never been a state called Palestine.

[PhilsFan]

American Schools vs. the World: Expensive, Unequal, Bad at Math - Julia Ryan - The Atlantic

[Kieran McConville]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Stolen land?

I don't know of any other people in history who have a more
legitimate claim to a strip of land than the Jews.

Also, there has never been a state called Palestine.

So what? Nor, prior to the nineteenth century were there states called "Greece" (well, technically there still isn't but we won't get into that) or "Italy". Yet I'm sure we can agree that there were Greeks and Italians.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I don't know of any other people in history who have a more
legitimate claim to a strip of land than the Jews.

Sure, if you think that some book written millenia ago = a "legitimate" claim to a strip of land.

God forbid this was the basis of international law.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Stolen land?

I don't know of any other people in history who have a more
legitimate claim to a strip of land than the Jews.

native americans?

[anitram]

There is no BIBLE that says it's theirs.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

native americans?

I pictured you dropping the mic and walking off like a badass after reading this post.

You are very correct, sir.

[Axver]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Stolen land?

I don't know of any other people in history who have a more
legitimate claim to a strip of land than the Jews.

If you want to talk about legitimate claims to land, let me introduce you to a certain group of people called Aboriginals, who've been living on the Australian continent for 40,000 years.

[Kieran McConville]

And if you want to talk about history, Iron Horse, it's worth bearing in mind that the modern Israel is above all a European project; inspired and founded by European Jews from Europe.

[digitize]

Israel is a European colony.

I claim to be against colonialism, but I also think that liberal, democratic, first world, free-enterprise-employing societies and government are good things, and I don't think that Palestine sans Israel would be that. So I'm torn. Perhaps colonialism is generally a bad way to create such societies. (Although many people of Hong Kong might disagree.)

[anitram]

Originally Posted by digitize

Israel is a European colony.

I claim to be against colonialism, but I also think that liberal, democratic, first world, free-enterprise-employing societies and government are good things, and I don't think that Palestine sans Israel would be that. So I'm torn.

I don't understand this comment at all.

What Palestine? What are you proposing here, indefinite occupation whereby Israel shows "Palestine" the right way to exist?

[Vlad n U 2]

I really doubt that "liberal" and "democratic" are terms you can describe Israel with.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by anitram

I don't understand this comment at all.



What Palestine? What are you proposing here, indefinite occupation whereby Israel shows "Palestine" the right way to exist?

I'm commenting on Israel's right to exist (or not). On one hand, I don't like that there's a European colony in the middle of Palestine. On the other hand, I think that the existence of states like Israel in general ought to be celebrated.


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[anitram]

Originally Posted by digitize

I'm commenting on Israel's right to exist (or not).

I think it's very interesting that Israel is the only nation in the world that has a "right" to exist. That term is simply not bandied about anywhere else.

Why don't Chechnya or Kurdistan have a "right" to exist?