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Old 10-28-2008, 07:32 PM   #136
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I hear stuff like this, and I want to choke a bitch whenever I hear people complaining about "socialist medicine" in Canada, and how it's so much better in the US, they don't have the waits we do, etc.

I've watched my mom go through a shitload of health problems in the past 8 years, including a couple of surgeries, several hospital stays beyond that, more testing than I can even recall, myriad visits to specialists, very regular monitoring by her GP (sometimes weekly office visits, sometimes monthly, depending on the situation)....and it's all been free, and NONE of the waits have been unreasonably long. Also, we're in an underserviced area. I can't imagine that our situation is unique, and that we've somehow just gotten lucky for 8 years.

Lila, I'm truly sorry for what you're going through. When people talk about Canadian health care as if it's substandard, don't believe it. They're spreading lies of socialism and inefficiency that simply are not true. Americans deserve the care that we have, and I cannot fathom how an otherwise civilized nation could make its citizens jump through hoops for health care the way the US does.
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They're spreading lies of socialism and inefficiency that simply are not true.

Socialist.
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I'd reply, but my comrades here at the commune need to use the computer now, and I'm all about sharing.
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Thank you martha I had no idea what to say there.

By the way, I can't tell you the last time I had a vacation. I have two cars. Yeah, the 20 year old car sits in the driveway waiting for me to come up with $1000+ in repair work, not to mention the $600 in new tires I put on it a week before it decided to break down further. I have a 10 year old car, that, knock on wood, keeps running while I pay off the $1600 in repairs I've put into it in the course of the last 4 months. And creditcard debt? Yeah, I pay it off every month, so I don't have any. And sell my house? Yeah, now there's a solution. Maybe I should go live in bumfuk Iowa. Is that your solution? Maybe I should mention my medical bills too? And the thousands upon thousands of dollars I have to shell out?

Oh, and electronics? Um, yeah, I got an ipod about 2-3 years ago as a birthday present. I can't think of the last electronic thing we've purchased. And no, I don't buy DVDs or go to the movies or go on short trips. So you telling me to spend less on my necessities?

Piss off.
I don't know what to say. There's no magic bullet. Get a student loan. I wish taxpayers would say "piss off" more often.
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Get a student loan??

Are you for real?
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I hear stuff like this, and I want to choke a bitch whenever I hear people complaining about "socialist medicine" in Canada, and how it's so much better in the US, they don't have the waits we do, etc.

I've watched my mom go through a shitload of health problems in the past 8 years, including a couple of surgeries, several hospital stays beyond that, more testing than I can even recall, myriad visits to specialists, very regular monitoring by her GP (sometimes weekly office visits, sometimes monthly, depending on the situation)....and it's all been free, and NONE of the waits have been unreasonably long. Also, we're in an underserviced area. I can't imagine that our situation is unique, and that we've somehow just gotten lucky for 8 years.

Lila, I'm truly sorry for what you're going through. When people talk about Canadian health care as if it's substandard, don't believe it. They're spreading lies of socialism and inefficiency that simply are not true. Americans deserve the care that we have, and I cannot fathom how an otherwise civilized nation could make its citizens jump through hoops for health care the way the US does.
Health care systems around the world which is best?

There's other countries with different systems than just Canada that seem to get better results. Hopefully governments won't just look at U.S. vs. Canada.
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Get a student loan??

Are you for real?
I did it. It cost lots but I paid it off. If government is going to spend money giving student loans is a good way for people to change jobs to get higher paying ones.

It's no fun, but what alternative is there?
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Yeah, so you took a student loan when you had a family to support? Really?

What's the cost of education in the US compared to your socialist degree? Ever check?

And how are you enjoying your socialist Alberta cheques?
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Yeah, so you took a student loan when you had a family to support? Really?

What's the cost of education in the US compared to your socialist degree? Ever check?

And how are you enjoying your socialist Alberta cheques?
Lots of people support a family and get a student loan. It's stressful but it's worth it. You don't have to study to be a doctor. There must be options out there. If a person can't work because of illness isn't there government sponsored healthcare? I thought there was Medicaid for the poor and Medicare for the elderly.

BTW those Alberta cheques are paid by the province and the resource is owned by the province "meaning the people" and you could not possibly live off those cheques that aren't even that regular. Only when the prices are high do they kick in and they help with winter heating bills at best. Doesn't Alaska have something similar?

Our socialist healthcare system has HUGE lineups. I know, and my mom had Alzheimer's disease and we took care of her at home because she would get abuse and neglect in institutions. I've delayed all kinds of plans for my life to help. I think looking at European countries is more a solution than just going all the way with the Canadian system. The canadian system only looks good when you're not sick.
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Lots of people support a family and get a student loan.

You are fucking unreal. Lila talks about her serious health problems, debt due to them, economic problems, and your stupid fucking answer is "Get a student loan."

You are ridiculous and should be ignored by everyone in here. You have no sense of what's real and what isn't.
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BTW those Alberta cheques are paid by the province and the resource is owned by the province "meaning the people" and you could not possibly live off those cheques that aren't even that regular. Only when the prices are high do they kick in and they help with winter heating bills at best. Doesn't Alaska have something similar?
Yes, Alaska gives out some $2-3K per resident. Socialist support. This is the definition of the redistribution of wealth. I am surprised you didn't immediately tear your cheque up in protest.

And not only do I think you're uninformed, I think it's extremely presumptuous and rude to be telling people how to live their lives without one iota of understanding of what it takes or their personal situations. I'm not saying that it surprises me, but it's obnoxious nevertheless.
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You don't have to study to be a doctor.
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The canadian system only looks good when you're not sick.
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I hear stuff like this, and I want to choke a bitch whenever I hear people complaining about "socialist medicine" in Canada, and how it's so much better in the US, they don't have the waits we do, etc.

I've watched my mom go through a shitload of health problems in the past 8 years, including a couple of surgeries, several hospital stays beyond that, more testing than I can even recall, myriad visits to specialists, very regular monitoring by her GP (sometimes weekly office visits, sometimes monthly, depending on the situation)....and it's all been free, and NONE of the waits have been unreasonably long. Also, we're in an underserviced area. I can't imagine that our situation is unique, and that we've somehow just gotten lucky for 8 years.

Lila, I'm truly sorry for what you're going through. When people talk about Canadian health care as if it's substandard, don't believe it. They're spreading lies of socialism and inefficiency that simply are not true. Americans deserve the care that we have, and I cannot fathom how an otherwise civilized nation could make its citizens jump through hoops for health care the way the US does.
So by your reasoning, my mom should be 6 feet under by now, rather than having received really good and timely care that's improved her health and extended her life.

Ridiculous.
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Yes, Alaska gives out some $2-3K per resident. Socialist support. This is the definition of the redistribution of wealth. I am surprised you didn't immediately tear your cheque up in protest.

And not only do I think you're uninformed, I think it's extremely presumptuous and rude to be telling people how to live their lives without one iota of understanding of what it takes or their personal situations. I'm not saying that it surprises me, but it's obnoxious nevertheless.
Yeah we don't get 2-3K per resident, but since it's owned by the people I don't have a problem with that. Royalties owned by the people is technically not redistributionism.

The person responding to my post on saving money didn't want to hear it but it actually was more compassionate than saying the Canadian system is so much better than the U.S. system but then I would be telling a lie. Now we have stories today that syringes have been reused in Alberta in order to save money. Now hundreds of people have to get tested for hepetitis and HIV.

There is no perfect health care system that I know of. Thinking that Obama will save the day is also putting expectations I don't think he can meet.

The problem is not that we have redistributionism per se but a lot of the promises of what it would deliver never really happened. The war on poverty didn't eradicate poverty. Americans thinking they will get the equivalent care that is expected in the U.S under a single payer system will be disappointed.

I know I would be more popular on this board if I just agreed with everyone and said the government should pay for this and that and McCain stinks and Palin is hick but that would be a boring conversation.
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