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Old 08-14-2013, 04:52 PM   #31
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But the narcissism trend continues. So we have lots and lots of people who feel unreasonably confident about themselves but have never really pushed themselves to the limit and have no idea what they are actually capable of.
This is a bit of a platitude. Who are these unreasonably confident people you're talking about?
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This is a bit of a platitude. Who are these unreasonably confident people you're talking about?
I have to agree with Jive. I am still an Army Reserve officer and I see new kids come into service on a monthly basis - some are confident, most aren't. These are kids in their late teens.

My civilian career is in IT, so I do see a few more prima donna's show up, but it is only a matter of time until they're put into their place by more senior engineers.

Since Generation X, we have learned to adapt to rapidly changing trends (from t
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Maybe he got raptured?
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Maybe he got raptured?
That would be so awesome, but I don't think it's going to be that easy for me.
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I meant, what did the article say? Is there a source to check out?
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This is a bit of a platitude. Who are these unreasonably confident people you're talking about?
It's a bit of a platitude based on observing reporting on the subject for the past few years. Here are returns one through five of a google search of the words, "narcissism, rise". Jean Twenge is a prominent researcher and author on the subject; one of the links is a supportive profile of her book, another is critical.

The Internet 'Narcissism Epidemic' - Bill Davidow - The Atlantic

Narcissism Is On the Rise In America - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/06/sc...anted=all&_r=0

Me, me, me! America’s ‘Narcissism Epidemic’ - today > books - booksmiscellaneous - TODAY.com

Dr. Jim Taylor: Narcissism: On the Rise in America?
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If you're trying to bombard me with an avalanche of research, 5 articles citing the exact same study is a bit dishonest. The findings of a single study does not make for overwhelming proof.

And still, where are all these people that haven't pushed themselves to their limit to your satisfaction?

Not to mention, reading through those articles, it seems Ms Twenge is being more than liberal with her application of the term 'narcissism'
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Here's return one of several shoot downs of the study I found with a google search of the words "jean twenge narcissism peer review". Her findings are far from universally accepted. As a matter of fact, another study using the exact same data set came to the opposite conclusion that she did (but he doesn't have a sensational book to sell)

Narcissism Run Rampant? Let's Not Flatter Ourselves - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education
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I'm doing the opposite of bombarding you with an avalanche of research- I'm saying that I made a bit of a platitude based on a general awareness of a public conversation about evidence of an increase in narcissim.

My personal experience is that unless kids evidence serious giftedness, our culture doesn't support the kind of drive and concentration that real mastery requires. If they are lucky enough to be very gifted, to have someone notice their gifts and find the financial support needed, than we can justify the time. In my observation that seems to happen more with althetic giftedness than other sorts. Otherwise, America generally prefers young people to do many different things rather than one thing a lot- the proverial soccer mom running her kids to different lessons every day while dong three sports a year. Not to mention the sheer amount of time that school demands and the way it is structured with frequent shifts in activity. We just don't live in a culture that privileges self motivated, solitary sustained attention to a demanding task.
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I'm doing the opposite of bombarding you with an avalanche of research- I'm saying that I made a bit of a platitude based on a general awareness of a public conversation about evidence of an increase in narcissim.
If I misread the sarcasm in it, I apologize.
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Well, that's very nice of you.
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