Is Lust Sinful? (--> split) - Page 11 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 05-07-2011, 01:47 AM   #151
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
Sure. I'm saying there isn't just "allow" and "not allow." It's not a "thinking and fantasizing every moment" or "completely block it out" kind of issue. Maybe I fantasize about a person once. Or maybe randomly a couple of times but still rarely. There are varying degrees.
Okey doke, I understand what you're saying. Thanks for that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
Also, just as an FYI, my name's not Phil, the user name is a reference to me being a Phillies fan.
Yeah, I do call you Phil all the time, don't I? To be honest I don't know if I do it because it somehow sticks in my head that your name is indeed Phil, or if I do it as a short version of PhilsFan. Or maybe, I'm very oblivious and didn't even notice the Fan part. I honestly don't know.
__________________

__________________
80sU2isBest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 11:31 AM   #152
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone here believe that if a woman dresses a certain way, it is her fault that a man lusts for her? Or should the man take full responsibility for his actions rather than blame her?
__________________

__________________
Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 11:43 AM   #153
Blue Crack Distributor
 
corianderstem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 63,709
Local Time: 03:27 PM
Pearl, that question was on my mind as well. I've read articles or columns that were posted in Christian magazines or on Christian sites, where men were more or less pleading with women to dress modestly so they wouldn't lust after them.

As you can imagine, I had many ranty thoughts about that line of thinking.
__________________
corianderstem is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 01:15 PM   #154
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Jive Turkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,646
Local Time: 06:27 PM
You girls need to take responsibility for giving guys boners
__________________
Jive Turkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 01:39 PM   #155
ONE
love, blood, life
 
ryancoke71's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 14,678
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
Out of curiosity, does anyone here believe that if a woman dresses a certain way, it is her fault that a man lusts for her? Or should the man take full responsibility for his actions rather than blame her?
Good question. I think it is the man's fault. I don't think we should have to censor the way we dress!
__________________
ryancoke71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 01:54 PM   #156
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
mama cass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,906
Local Time: 12:27 AM
in my own home and garden i dress how i want, plus i work from home, so that pretty much means i get to dress how i want all day long, but to be honest when i go out and about i am actually careful what i wear as i like to go about my business peacefully, don't like to attract attention or anything and hate any hassle/oggling whatever...

i am happiest and safest when i'm doing horsey stuff - scruffy horsey gear is a total lust deterrent lol)

i don't feel i am censoring how i dress though - i'm quite shy really and personally prefer to cover up in public anyway... but at home i am happy to be a slut
__________________
mama cass is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 02:29 PM   #157
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Jive Turkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,646
Local Time: 06:27 PM
As long as there is no harassment there is no 'fault'
__________________
Jive Turkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 02:35 PM   #158
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,472
Local Time: 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by corianderstem View Post
Pearl, that question was on my mind as well. I've read articles or columns that were posted in Christian magazines or on Christian sites, where men were more or less pleading with women to dress modestly so they wouldn't lust after them.





not that i think anyone in here is suggesting this, but this seems to be to be the end result of a patriarchal, literalist interpretation of some religious dictates.
__________________
Irvine511 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 02:43 PM   #159
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post

...a patriarchal, literalist interpretation of some religious dictates.
I agree.
__________________
Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 03:06 PM   #160
Blue Crack Distributor
 
corianderstem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 63,709
Local Time: 03:27 PM
I would clarify that it seemed to me like the articles/columns in question were coming from what I assumed to be a pretty small minority of Christian men. Very extreme.

I just find it interesting when you hear people (both men and women) say things like men can't help themselves when they start thinking lustful thoughts. Frankly, it's insulting to men to suggest they can't control their own emotions.

And there's not too far a distance between "that girl in the tank top is making me think lustful thoughts, she shouldn't wear that in public" and "she shouldn't have been wearing that if she didn't want to get raped."
__________________
corianderstem is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 03:08 PM   #161
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryancoke71 View Post
Good question. I think it is the man's fault. I don't think we should have to censor the way we dress!
I think that the situation is a little different with teenagers. While it is still ultimately the male's responsibility to control himself, the teenage male years are so confusing and hormone driven, it's a lot more difficult for them to control their thoughts. I'm not putting blame on the teenage girls, but I think some of them could really help the matter by dressing more appropriately. But then again, most of these girls are just victim of society's pressure to conform to that "perfect, sexy" image. I think there likely are some teenage girls who purposely try to titilate and tease, but I think most are just trying to fit in and be "in style".

While not directly rated to "dressing sexy", "Dove: Onslaught", about the society's and the media's fascination with their image sexy perfection, is my favorite PSA ever:

YouTube - Dove Onslaught HIGH DEFINITION
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 03:12 PM   #162
Forum Moderator
 
yolland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,471
Local Time: 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post
As long as there is no harassment there is no 'fault'
This was pretty much my reaction as well.

I'd probably be more troubled by these men's attitudes towards their own sexuality than their attitudes towards women, frankly.
__________________
yolland [at] interference.com


μελετώ αποτυγχάνειν. -- Διογένης της Σινώπης
yolland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 03:18 PM   #163
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 80sU2isBest View Post
I think that the situation is a little different with teenagers. While it is still ultimately the male's responsibility to control himself, the teenage male years are so confusing and hormone driven, it's a lot more difficult for them to control their thoughts. I'm not putting blame on the teenage girls, but I think some of them could really help the matter by dressing more appropriately. But then again, most of these girls are just victim of society's pressure to conform to that "perfect, sexy" image. I think there likely are some teenage girls who purposely try to titilate and tease, but I think most are just trying to fit in and be "in style".
OK, I agree that society puts to much of an emphasis on women of all ages to look sexy. But you didn't really address my question, 80s. I asked if anyone believes a man (a grown one, not a teenage boy) who feels lust towards a woman dressed in a sexy way, should he blame her or himself? The reason why I ask this is because there's a lot of men (and women) out there of various religions and beliefs who put fault on the woman when something happens to her.
__________________
Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 03:35 PM   #164
Self-righteous bullshitter
 
BoMac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise
Posts: 16,661
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
Out of curiosity, does anyone here believe that if a woman dresses a certain way, it is her fault that a man lusts for her? Or should the man take full responsibility for his actions rather than blame her?
There are so many things about a woman that I love that the way they dress is probably the least likely thing that makes me lust for someone. And, being the hot-blooded Italian male that I am, I "lust" for women quite frequently. It could because of anything, really: the way they smile, their personality, their laugh, their intelligence, their overall beauty, etc.

I couldn't care less what they wear, but that's just me. Everyone is different in this regard.

And by the way, I haven't been following this thread, but when I say "lust", I'm using it in a way to mean when I see women I think 'Oh, she's hot', or 'she's pretty', or 'she looks sweet', or 'I like her because of...'
__________________

BoMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2011, 03:59 PM   #165
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
OK, I agree that society puts to much of an emphasis on women of all ages to look sexy. But you didn't really address my question, 80s. I asked if anyone believes a man (a grown one, not a teenage boy) who feels lust towards a woman dressed in a sexy way, should he blame her or himself? The reason why I ask this is because there's a lot of men (and women) out there of various religions and beliefs who put fault on the woman when something happens to her.
I did answer your question. I said that the male bears responsibility for his own lusts, and that in teenagers', girls, while not to blame, should dress more appropriately to help the guys out.
__________________

__________________
80sU2isBest is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com