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Old 11-14-2012, 09:05 PM   #76
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I get really dismayed when I see women who are clearly smart trying to act dumb because they think it's what people want or because they think it's not good for them to show how smart they are.
I serve as an Adjunct Film Professor at a local college, and I notice that, when I call on them, my female students have a habit of starting by saying, "Oh, I was just going to say..." I have to keep telling them to stop apologizing for making a comment.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:31 PM   #77
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On Sesame Street, Justice Sotomayor Counsels Girls Everywhere on Their Career Options
by Jessica Mason Pieklo, Senior Legal Analyst, RH Reality Check
November 12, 2012

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor gives Sesame Street character "Abby" career advice, encouraging young girls everywhere to educate themselves on all available opportunities for their futures and breaking gender stereotypes.

The 2010 confirmation hearings of now-Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor were, in many ways, a coming attraction of the angry white man syndrome that permeates Tea Party politics and has dominated the 2012 election post-mortem. During those hearings Republicans attacked Sotomayor as a "hothead," mocked her as a "wise Latina," and ridiculed her as a racist for her understanding of why and how race and gender can effect legal reasoning. She was, in short, too female and too ethnic to appease the radical right in the judiciary committee and the Senate and they let her, and the American public, know it.

Yet to really understand how significant Sotomayor's role on the Supreme Court is, and just what her story means, consider this brief, and heartwarming, appearance on Sesame Street. Here, Justice Sotomayor joins young Abby to talk about the word "career." Abby, representative of many young girls everywhere declared she wanted to grow up to be a princess. For this, Justice Sotomayor offers the perfect answer.

"Pretending to be a princess is fun, but it is definitely not a career" says Sotomayor. "Remember, a career is a job that you train and prepare for and that you plan to do for a long time."

When Abby asks "what a girl like me" can do for a career instead of being a princess Sotomayor suggests going to school to be a "teacher, a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, and even a scientist."

In just about two-and-a-half minutes Sotomayor manages to hit every culture war fear the right projected onto her during her confirmation hearings and, with grace and an infectious grin, turned that racism and misogyny into a moment for powerful change. Here this "wise Latina," a Puerto Rican from the Bronx, directs young girls to go to school to become scientists and doctors and lawyers rather than aspiring to be princesses. She uses her own biography as an example and Abby eats it up. And she does so on Sesame Street, the one place where Tea Party conservatives believe the slide into the liberal abyss begins.

This is why elections matter. President Obama will likely appoint at least one, but maybe as many as four, Supreme Court justices. Would Justice Samuel Alito have shown up on Sesame Street to tell young girls everywhere to go to school to become doctors and lawyers? We can hope, but a read of his opinions suggests that's not likely. And if Republicans had their way such an appearance wouldn't even be possible as federal funding for educational programming like Sesame Street would evaporate and public broadcasting as we know it end.

As we focus on the "changing demographics" that propelled an overwhelming majority of voters who were not white-men of middling education to vote for Democrats, and as we prepare for future judicial confirmation hearings where angry-white men are most often their worst-behaived, we can expect the racial and gender histrionics from the right to reach even greater heights. After all, thanks to those "changing demographics," a wise Latina can appear on a tv show that reaches millions of low-income and minority households to tell young girls everywhere that being a princess is not a likely career, but that girls have many options, and can use her own story as the inspiring proof.
PS: it's the 40th anniversary of "Free To Be You, and Me"
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:46 PM   #78
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Marches are loud and as marches go, 2004 sounded like it was big and loud and diverse, with a concentration on reproductive choice and women's health issues. And I am sure NOW is a presence, particularly at such events. It just no longer has the influence it did.

We're about the same age. I wasn't much for marches, still not, although I think it is a great thing when that many women can show their presence. The marches have a significant symbolic and tribal gathering importance that I respect. However, I thought Gloria Steinem was boring, although I did like Ms Magazine. I preferred Germaine Greer who had more exciting ideas and wrote better than Steinem and was more revolutionary and more fun. Steinem was kind of tedious.

I think it is easy to get out women for reproductive choice and for health issues (and for good reason), but I think feminism is beyond that and those are the whispers--it is equal pay and equal access and equal opportunity; it is respect; it is recognition and challenge. It is the choice men take for granted. It is a slow process to make even "enlightened" women look to other women for leadership. We are so grateful when a man says something nice about us, we fall into step. For whatever cultural bias there might be, we don't think often enough of ourselves as leaders, innovators, inventors, idea people. That is the fight I mean. And certainly, sexuality.

It requires intellectual honesty on our parts. Where have we, who want this fight, dropped the ball?

Rush--right wing radio--same thing. It's not mainstream.
I was at marches and rallies by the timei was ?16 -17 the big Moritorium Marches against the Vietnam War. My parents wouldn't let me go to DC tho, then Later i did about 7-8 in total.

Considering how our right to chose when or IF to have a child/children is one of the most crucial descisions we'll ever make and how the RW threatens it- is still eextremely important esp because various local descisions have made accessibilty a real issue , money, distance from a provider etc.

AND all these other areas... that's also...well that's part of what i meant in a previous post about it's still so much like autopilot, like "breathing", fish swimming in water... some things even we don't even think about changing because that's the way it is, that's Nature (vs nuture), or even so much deeper that it sometimes doesn't even rise up, or rarely does.

Well, in one way I guess I lead by "being myself" in the sense I don't hide my "smartness" (we'll ignore my occasional "smartaleckyness" ).
My dad was considered in the 5% IQ ( ? mensa test), he told me (I had to be semi-regularly tstedtested b/c i was a preemie 7 1/2 weeks early- underwent an experimental use of oxygen in the old word is isolette to prevent blindness - it worked, to see if other effects happened) I was/am in the 2% range. I was told by whomever my abilities for abstraction were considered about "off-the-chart". I also have a strong kinetic sense which can ground my abstration abilies in a good way. We know now there are various kinds of intellegence now.

I never learned chemistry or higher marth well. Maybe there was a better way of teaching that was not availble to me or yet discovered. Or maybe not. I could grasp topology -a sort of started out as an "off-beat" branch of marhemics as werll as fractals pretty easily -these were strong visualy seen sciences as
well as the pure mathematical parts (geometery weas my one goodb math branch beyond the basics). I again could grasp the vastness of the cosmos, beyond our galaxy is the concept got bigger and bigger. (it does make me swoon with it's not quite immesureable vastness) And get parts of Quantum theory as well in non-math terms.

So who knows if certain thins were tweeked, imroved or eliminated in my earlier part of lifev what noi might have become..... but i AM still working on the Artist part!.

As for leading -- i became too much of a worrier at a young age because of a period one of the buildings we rented in some of the basic services became spotty b/c of the landlord being a slumlord. Plus my mom got ill w severe asthma when i was 5 1/2 that led to other stresses etc.

This stuff -- i woried to much at times and didn't want to have work were i'd be really responsible for certain outcomes to be done correctly. I didn't even like the idea of becoming a teacher -- not for the teaching part so much as having to grade kids/teens etc make an important evevaluation posibly on their fdurture.

Any way i have quite a rnge of interests, keep myself reaLot of women having listened to me talking babout whatever "you're so smart" with a postitive reaction.

I talk in conversations about women and expanding our roles, challenging things . I've done it here in Interland at certain times.

If a sitruation comes up to praise girls, young women for thier efforts etc in general and esp in the still so male-dominated areas.

As a woman my mom not only took me to see at The Gueggenheim Calder but Louise Newvelson famous abstract constructionist sculpture who she loved.

One of my cousin's who's kind of right wing told me- eithern i'd forgotten or didn't know-- well i knew my mom was a "Draftsman" during WW2 for
Hughes Aircraft in California. What I didn't know was she was the Head Draftsman with ? close to 100? people who came to her to have her inspect their work and sign off on it! wow And my cousin said it with a kind of pride.

I remember i did once wonder in early 80's this woman doc - i wondered whether she was good enough b/c she was a woman () but 15 yrs later women dentists would sign off on the dental students work (dental school clinic), or having some particularly wonderful (2 out of 4 women) women doctors without batting an eyelash.

So hopefully we keep observing, asking question, elvolving, and passing on inspiration, good knowledge etc.

I was not the best yet at discerning quality of writing as to be able to say Gloria was better than Germaine or visa vers aat expressing themselves and their ideas when i was reading them. Maybe GG was confusing (maybe too chalenging )to me at the time...

ha... when i finally get a new library card--i'll put GG on my short list of books to borrow! thanks!

Therew are various women in fields i look up to.
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Why don't we turn this thread into a general thread on women's fight for further equality?
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:34 PM   #81
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Sounds like a good idea! Pearl's call, though.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:37 PM   #82
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OK

Since my question has been answered, and yes feminism is still relevant, why not?
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:44 PM   #83
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On a lighter feminist note, the last three Horses of the Year have been filly/mares--Rachel Alexandra, Zenyatta and Havre de Grace.
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women aren't women anymore :(

The war on men | Fox News


The battle of the sexes is alive and well. According to Pew Research Center, the share of women ages eighteen to thirty-four that say having a successful marriage is one of the most important things in their lives rose nine percentage points since 1997 – from 28 percent to 37 percent. For men, the opposite occurred. The share voicing this opinion dropped, from 35 percent to 29 percent.

Believe it or not, modern women want to get married. Trouble is, men don’t.

The so-called dearth of good men (read: marriageable men) has been a hot subject in the media as of late. Much of the coverage has been in response to the fact that for the first time in history, women have become the majority of the U.S. workforce. They’re also getting most of the college degrees. The problem? This new phenomenon has changed the dance between men and women.

As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.

Women aren’t women anymore.

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s.

But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women’s fault?

You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put women front and center, while men and children sit in the back seat. But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.

Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has pissed them off. It has also undermined their ability to become self-sufficient in the hopes of someday supporting a family. Men want to love women, not compete with them. They want to provide for and protect their families – it’s in their DNA. But modern women won’t let them.

It’s all so unfortunate – for women, not men. Feminism serves men very well: they can have sex at hello and even live with their girlfriends with no responsibilities whatsoever.

It’s the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature they’re forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.

So if men today are slackers, and if they’re retreating from marriage en masse, women should look in the mirror and ask themselves what role they’ve played to bring about this transformation.

Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature – their femininity – and let men surrender to theirs.

If they do, marriageable men will come out of the woodwork.


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Oh Fox, keep it classy
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Thank goodness Fox News has the courage to tell the truth that the mainstream media doesn't want you to hear. And how brave of us to have the courage to read that article and speak truth to power.
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Yeah, I was going to put it in the Fox thread. Thought it could go in either one.

Of course a woman wrote it. Maybe she's one of the women who work for Fox who aren't allowed to wear pants. If women would stop wearing pants and start showing their legs all the time they'd get back to being women, and men would want to date and marry them.
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It's a perfect example of how the conservative media industrial complex works.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:30 AM   #89
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Is war on men going to be their 2016 thing? Maybe they think if you reverse everything that they screwed up in 2012 they'll win

War on women---------> war on men

47 percent-------------> 74 percent

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:32 AM   #90
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There's plenty of women who don't want to get married either. :

Count on FOX on writing a doomsday-like op-ed and blaming women for all of today's social ills.

However, I do wonder if the men out there who are feeling left out and underappreciated in today's society are worth listening to. If they are misogynists who think women should be damsels in distress, then forget it. But if they genuinely see women as equal to them, then perhaps there's something to consider.
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