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Old 10-23-2013, 03:14 PM   #616
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And I don't understand why you get so riled up when someone points out that rape jokes are offensive to many women.
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:32 PM   #617
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Rape jokes treat rape as no big deal when it isn't. I really don't see how creepy perv jokes are in the same category as rape jokes.
It doesn't follow that one should make comedic figures out of them if they are going to be offended by rape jokes because, assuming creepy pervs are the people that eventually commit rape, those jokes are part of the same culture. Why mock the lead up if you refuse to mock the end result?
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:38 PM   #618
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Of course, I can't remember the last time I made jokes like that myself. I don't seek to perpetuate a harmful culture or anything like that and I'm rarely clever enough to justify the attempt. But I do think others have done it very humorously with a degree of meaningful satire and I'm glad that Jive made that distinction. #rapeface sounds like something Smosh came up with and a couple teenage boys started repeating it.
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:04 PM   #619
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It doesn't follow that one should make comedic figures out of them if they are going to be offended by rape jokes because, assuming creepy pervs are the people that eventually commit rape, those jokes are part of the same culture. Why mock the lead up if you refuse to mock the end result?
If a comedian is going to mock both the perv/pedophile/what have you and the rape, fine. But some rape jokes I have heard over the years gear it toward the victim rather than the rapist. They usually were the context of "she actually liked it" sort of thing.

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Of course, I can't remember the last time I made jokes like that myself. I don't seek to perpetuate a harmful culture or anything like that and I'm rarely clever enough to justify the attempt. But I do think others have done it very humorously with a degree of meaningful satire and I'm glad that Jive made that distinction. #rapeface sounds like something Smosh came up with and a couple teenage boys started repeating it.
True, teenagers don't have the greatest empathy levels, and that makes their rape jokes off-putting because sometimes they are geared toward the victim. And they often have a more hateful tone to them.
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And I don't understand why you get so riled up when someone points out that rape jokes are offensive to many women.
I'm not riled up. I just find it self absorbed that some people seem to think the offense they take is somehow special and that they should go through life without ever having to hear something that's offensive to them. And if they do hear something offensive, it needs to be apologized for and never done again. There are plenty of things that offend other people that rape-joke offendees wouldn't find offensive. And they should be treated in exactly the same way; by doing nothing.
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:10 PM   #622
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If a comedian is going to mock both the perv/pedophile/what have you and the rape, fine. But some rape jokes I have heard over the years gear it toward the victim rather than the rapist. They usually were the context of "she actually liked it" sort of thing.
The joke shouldn't need context of other jokes told by the same person.
Not thinking a joke is funny is fine, but I can't get my head around something thinking their consciousness is so special that something would need to be done about it.
"she actually liked it" isn't even really a joke. And if it was supposed to be, it wasn't clever.
These rapeface memes aren't going after a victim. Quite the opposite, they're making fun of the perpetrator
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:16 PM   #623
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And rape jokes don't treat rape as if it's no big deal. They're jokes and jokes most often deal with serious issues in a satirical way. Murder jokes. Dead baby jokes. Catholic Priest jokes. Cancer jokes. AIDS jokes. Everyone knows these things are serious. The thing that makes it funny is the juxtaposition between the seriousness and the absurdity. It's how jokes function.

For example:

What's the difference between a Ferrari and a pile of dead babies?
There's no Ferrari in my garage.

Doesn't work so well when you substitute dead babies for a pile of bananas
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I get your point, JT. I do, especially since I tend to like satire. But its just knowing that there are some people out there who blame the victim and think rape is no big deal doesn't make rape jokes work well with me. There have been a rare few that I did find humorous (they were from The Onion, actually), but often I can't help but cringe.
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That's perfectly reasonable. It's when people take it the next step and say "well, rape jokes don't work for me. I'm going to write an article about how I don't like them and how I don't think anyone should make them anymore" that I find self absorbed. But your personal reaction to the jokes is just as valid as the person's who thinks they're funny. I'm not trying to take that away from anyone
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Kathy Ritvo became the first woman trainer to train the winner of Breeders' Cup Classic, North America's richest purse for thoroughbred horse racing, when Mucho Macho Man won the race.
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not to relive the Miley Cyrus VMA debacle, but she's said that she modeled her partially great, partially embarrassing "wrecking ball" video on "nothing compares 2 U."

this is the rather awesome response from Sinead to Ms. Cyrus, and it ties in notions of patriarchy and power and sexual exploitation that have come up in this thread:






i think "wrecking ball" is a surprisingly powerful song, btw.
Only just read this, pretty impressive! Go Sinead!

Makes me wonder how Miley would respond to reading this though...
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Oh, they had a long back and forth that basically devolved into just name calling. Miley making fun of Sinead's mental health struggles and Sinead getting snarky and insulting.

Honestly I had mixed feelings about this response. For a woman who has a lifelong opposition to the Catholic Church Sinead's attitudes are still surprisingly Catholic. There's a lot of patriarchal prescription in there- like the belief that the choice to be publicly sexual is inherently demeaning, and that "your body is for yourself and your boyfriend". I'm not saying that Miley is right, just that Sinead's responses are complex, and open to examination themselves.
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Yeah it is a bit condescending, but I reckon there is a lot of truth in what Sinead says about the way media and the big bobos make money off women's sexuality. Sex sells, yet you don't see many videos with shirtless guys doing manly stuff!

Is it just me or was that whole thing about the body for her boyfriend weird. So when your'e someone's boy/girlfriend you now automatically gain ownership of the other's body?
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That was weird. I think probably what she means is that her sexuality should be private- another Christian notion, and one of those things that I think needs examination rather than being accepted by default.
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