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Old 07-06-2013, 01:12 PM   #391
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If you're looking for balanced opinions "Feminist Superstar" probably isn't any more objective than "Conservative Opinion Writer"
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:27 PM   #392
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Wasn't she called a c*nt at one point by a Australian lawmaker?

She's got my respect. Hillary Clinton and Margaret Thatcher just held their head up high and kept going. While that's strong and brave of them too, Gillard took it a step further. She held her head up high and kept going after telling sexist men to go fuck themselves.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:27 PM   #393
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If you're looking for balanced opinions "Feminist Superstar" probably isn't any more objective than "Conservative Opinion Writer"
My point. Wasn't looking for balance there.
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My point. Wasn't looking for balance there.

Exactly. The article was presented as an unbiased view from inside Australia. Thank you for pointing it out as a conservative opinion piece.
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Old 07-06-2013, 03:44 PM   #395
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My point. Wasn't looking for balance there.
Oh, sorry. I missed the second bit of your intro to the piece. In general, articles like this aren't at all helpful, but I see what you did there
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Old 07-06-2013, 04:56 PM   #396
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My wife still deals with sexism in the workplace. She is not harassed, but there is certainly prevalent view that women are good "organizers" and men are good "leaders".
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Conservative bloggers are the absolute last people who should be consulted about sexism/feminism.
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Conservative bloggers are the absolute last people who should be consulted about sexism/feminism.

Bloggers tend to be partisan cheerleaders, not journalists. You are not going to get a better or unbiased analysis from a liberal blogger.
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Exactly. The article was presented as an unbiased view from inside Australia. Thank you for pointing it out as a conservative opinion piece.
Actually, I didn't make any such claim, so I'm not sure what you are contributing with your post.
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Old 07-07-2013, 04:29 PM   #400
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Actually, I didn't make any such claim, so I'm not sure what you are contributing with your post.

I was thanking the Australia poster who pointed out the the article was not as you presented "the view" from inside Oz, but rather "a view" from Down Under.
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Always enjoyed her.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Helen Thomas, the irrepressible White House correspondent who used her seat in the front row of history to grill nine presidents — often to their discomfort and was not shy about sharing her opinions, died Saturday. She was 92.

Thomas, who died at her apartment in Washington, had been ill for a long time, and in and out of the hospital before coming home Thursday, according to a friend, Muriel Dobbin.

Thomas made her name as a bulldog for United Press International in the great wire-service rivalries of old, and as a pioneer for women in journalism.

She was persistent to the point of badgering. One White House press secretary described her questioning as "torture" — and he was one of her fans.

Her refusal to conceal her strong opinions, even when posing questions to a president, and her public hostility toward Israel, caused discomfort among colleagues.

In 2010, that tendency finally ended a career which had started in 1943 and made her one of the best known journalists in Washington. On a videotape circulated on the Internet, she said Israelis should "get out of Palestine" and "go home" to Germany, Poland or the United States. The remark brought down widespread condemnation and she ended her career.

In January 2011, she became a columnist for a free weekly paper in a Washington suburb, months after the controversy forced her from her previous post.

In her long career, she was indelibly associated with the ritual ending White House news conferences. She was often the one to deliver the closing line: "Thank you, Mister. President" — four polite words that belied a fierce competitive streak.

Her disdain for White House secrecy and dodging spanned five decades, back to President John Kennedy. Her freedom to voice her peppery opinions as a speaker and a Hearst columnist came late in her career.

The Bush administration marginalized her, clearly peeved with a journalist who had challenged President George W. Bush to his face on the Iraq war and declared him the worst president in history.

After she quit UPI in 2000 — by then an outsized figure in a shrunken organization — her influence waned.

Thomas was accustomed to getting under the skin of presidents, if not to the cold shoulder.

"If you want to be loved," she said years earlier, "go into something else."

There was a lighter mood in August 2009, on her 89th birthday, when President Barack Obama popped into in the White House briefing room unannounced. He led the roomful of reporters in singing "Happy Birthday to You" and gave her cupcakes. As it happened, it was the president's birthday too, his 48th.

Thomas was at the forefront of women's achievements in journalism. She was one of the first female reporters to break out of the White House "women's beat" — the soft stories about presidents' kids, wives, their teas and their hairdos — and cover the hard news on an equal footing with men.

She became the first female White House bureau chief for a wire service when UPI named her to the position in 1974. She was also the first female officer at the National Press Club, where women had once been barred as members and she had to fight for admission into the 1959 luncheon speech where Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev warned: "We will bury you."

The belligerent Khrushchev was an unlikely ally in one sense. He had refused to speak at any Washington venue that excluded women, she said.

Thomas fought, too, for a more open presidency, resisting all moves by a succession of administrations to restrict press access.

"People will never know how hard it is to get information," Thomas told an interviewer, "especially if it's locked up behind official doors where, if politicians had their way, they'd stamp TOP SECRET on the color of the walls."

Born in Winchester, Ky., to Lebanese immigrants, Thomas was the seventh of nine children. It was in high school, after working on the student newspaper, that she decided she wanted to become a reporter.

After graduating from Detroit's Wayne University (now Wayne State University), Thomas headed straight for the nation's capital. She landed a $17.50-a-week position as a copy girl, with duties that included fetching coffee and doughnuts for editors at the Washington Daily News.

United Press — later United Press International — soon hired her to write local news stories for the radio wire. Her assignments were relegated at first to women's news, society items and celebrity profiles.

Her big break came after the 1960 election that sent Kennedy to the White House, and landed Thomas her first assignment related to the presidency. She was sent to Palm Beach, Fla., to cover the vacation of the president-elect and his family.

JFK's successor, Lyndon Johnson, complained that he learned of his daughter Luci's engagement from Thomas's story.

Bigger and better assignments would follow for Thomas, among them President Richard M. Nixon's breakthrough trip to China in 1972.

When the Watergate scandal began consuming Nixon's presidency, Martha Mitchell, the notoriously unguarded wife of the attorney general, would call Thomas late at night to unload her frustrations at what she saw as the betrayal of her husband John by the president's men.

It was also during the Nixon administration that the woman who scooped so many others was herself scooped — by the first lady. Pat Nixon was the one who announced to the Washington press corps that Thomas was engaged to Douglas Cornell, chief White House correspondent for UPI's archrival, AP.

They were married in 1971. Cornell died 11 years later.

Thomas stayed with UPI for 57 years, until 2000, when the company was purchased by News World Communications, which was founded by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, leader of the Unification Church.

At age 79, Thomas was soon hired as a Washington-based columnist for newspaper publisher Hearst Corp.

A self-described liberal, Thomas made no secret of her ill feelings for the final president she covered — the second President Bush. "He is the worst president in all of American history," she told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Calif.

Thomas also was critical of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, asserting that the deaths of innocent people should hang heavily on Bush's conscience.

"We are involved in a war that is becoming more dubious every day," she said in a speech to thousands of students at Brigham Young University in September 2003. "I thought it was wrong to invade a country without any provocation."

Some students walked out of the lecture. She won over others with humorous stories from her "ringside seat" to history.

In March 2005, she confronted Bush with the proposition that "your decision to invade Iraq has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis" and every justification for the attack proved false.

"Why did you really want to go to war?" she demanded.

When Bush began explaining his rationale, she interjected: "They didn't do anything to you, or to our country."

"Excuse me for a second," Bush replied. "They did. The Taliban provided safe haven for al-Qaida. That's where al-Qaida trained."

"I'm talking about Iraq," she said.

Her strong opinions finally ended her career.

After a visit to the White House, David Nesenoff, a rabbi and independent filmmaker, asked Thomas on May 27, 2010, whether she had any comments on Israel. "Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine," she replied. "Remember, these people are occupied and it's their land. It's not Germany, it's not Poland," she continued. Asked where they should go, she answered, "They should go home." When asked where's home, Thomas replied: "Poland, Germany and America and everywhere else."

The resulting controversy brought widespread rejection of her remarks. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs called them "offensive and reprehensible." Many Jews were offended by her suggestion that Israelis should "go home" to Germany, Poland and America since Israel was initially settled in 1948 by Jews who had survived or escaped Hitler's attempt to kill all the Jews in Germany, and many in neighboring conquered countries.

Within days, she retired from her job at Hearst.

CALVIN WOODWARD,Associated Press

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Her comments about Israel were disappointing. However, you got to hand it to her for being not only a woman in a predominantly man's field (for a long time), but also for being a bulldog of a journalist. Many reporters today act like publicists and don't dig deep, especially when it comes to politics.
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Why do you think her comments about Israel are disappointing? Although the 'go home' comments were pretty harsh, I'd agree.
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I agree that Israel has violated international laws by settling in places where they are not supposed to, but her comments were harsh and insensitive. She could've made it her point with more constructive solutions.
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Very accomplished woman, unfortunate for the way she will be remembered. What she said was really inappropriate, although I also note that she said it when she was 90 and if you listened to her interviews at that stage, she had begun to ramble and sound pretty incoherent at times. I know from my own experience with very elderly grandparents with dementia that the things that can come out of their mouths at that age can be rather breathtaking.
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