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Old 06-01-2013, 11:17 PM   #301
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This is your evidence?

Where are the statistics we were giving you a bit to get together?
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At least they weren't more book recommendations.
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Old 06-01-2013, 11:48 PM   #303
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Old 06-02-2013, 02:13 AM   #305
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So here's my original quote, with the implied grammar expanded a little bit to make clear what I was trying to say.



Okay, so the first part- women are targeted for hate speech and violence based on sex.

A quick survey of the FB memes on the link I posted and a few places can demonstrate hate speech.

Another study shows that gaming has a sexist problem - Destructoid A female-voice player receives 3 times as many negative comments as a male voice player in online gaming, many of them including slurs like slut and whore.

Zerlina Maxwell, after saying on Fox that we should focus on telling men not to rape rather than telling women not to get raped, was inundated with racist, sexist rape and death threats. A few nice examples here. Fox News Guest Receives Racist Rape And Death Threats After Arguing Guns Aren't The Solution To Rape | ThinkProgress

Sexual Threats Stifle Some Female Bloggers Female participants received 25 times as many sexually explicit and malicious messages as males.


Someone created an online game that allows you to put bruises on the face of a blogger running a kickstarter campaign.This is what online harassment looks like Links to other stuff in there too.

A stroll through the results on "online harassment women" indicates that female bloggers experience sexual harassment almost universally, with comments ranging from opinions on their fuckability or appearance to repeated threats to rape both them and their mother, and posting the woman's home address. There is a ton of info on this, mostly anecdotal but all pretty depressing.
Some interesting and bizarrely unique examples but none that support your broad and sweeping statement.
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:14 AM   #306
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There are two academic studies in there.

In the first, two players, one experienced and one not, played Halo online, using both male and female voices. The female voice received much higher rates of negative comments regardless of which player was actually using it. The second is a broad survey of internet comments. The methodology is good, and the studies are linked in the articles.
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I think maybe two separate points are getting muddled.
As far as people getting offended by a rape joke, that's fine. You're allowed to be offended. It's when people then take their personal reaction to a joke or comment and act as if it's somehow exceptional. The idea that, because they felt offended, something must be done about it, is completely self absorbed. And specifically trying to ban one particular 'brand' of joke implies that their offense is more important than anyone else's. If we're going to make anything the topic of a joke, we must make everything fair game.
Okay, that clarifies things. But what is the number of offendees that must makes themselves known before the offender faces some type of ramifications? Let's say a comedian starts throwing around racial epithets, and twenty or twenty-five people get offended. Are those people justified in calling out the comedian?
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There are two academic studies in there.

In the first, two players, one experienced and one not, played Halo online, using both male and female voices. The female voice received much higher rates of negative comments regardless of which player was actually using it. The second is a broad survey of internet comments. The methodology is good, and the studies are linked in the articles.
Gamers and those that comment anonymously on YouTube videos? A real slice of humanity, right?
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Okay, that clarifies things. But what is the number of offendees that must makes themselves known before the offender faces some type of ramifications? Let's say a comedian starts throwing around racial epithets, and twenty or twenty-five people get offended. Are those people justified in calling out the comedian?
The number of offendees shouldn't matter. That was another point I was trying to make. If 20 people come forward because they were offended by a rape joke, that doesn't make their case any more important that the joke about left-handed, redheaded dwarfs that only offended one person. It can't be an unpopularity contest; that is inherently unfair. That's why, when it comes to comedy, everything is on the table.
That said, there is certainly a difference between jokes and outright racism or sexism. Any functioning adult should be able to tell the two apart. I touched on that in a couple posts. There has to be a joke. A lot of the pictures being referenced here aren't even jokes. Hitler wasn't telling Jew jokes.
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There are two academic studies in there.

In the first, two players, one experienced and one not, played Halo online, using both male and female voices. The female voice received much higher rates of negative comments regardless of which player was actually using it. The second is a broad survey of internet comments. The methodology is good, and the studies are linked in the articles.
You know what happens when I play Call of Duty? I get called a faggot, a nigger (even though I'm white), a bitch, etc. It should come as no surprise that someone who is immediately singled out from the predominantly male voices would attract more attention. Same goes for a person with a foreign accent in a sea of North American ones. I hear it all the time. The study is flawed because they only tested one unique voice quality, then attributed the cause to sexism. That most certainly doesn't qualify for good methodology.
It should also come as no surprise that words like 'whore' and 'slut' pop up. In every other aspect of speech, we have words relating to women and words relating to men. Why, when it comes to profanity, is this suddenly always an issue? You know what those female gamers won't get called? Dickhead, asshole, fuck face, faggot, and any other number of names more commonly associated with men.
And yes, those words are highly sexual in nature. The majority of English profanity is highly sexual in nature. How is any of this not obvious?

And as BVS pointed out, a survey of behaviour on the internet is hardly representative of normal, everyday behaviour. The language used on line and especially in gaming is more about eliciting a response than it is about any personal beliefs behind what is being said. You're being successfully trolled.

And you still haven't demonstrated how women are less protected than minorities. You haven't even tried
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That said, there is certainly a difference between jokes and outright racism or sexism. Any functioning adult should be able to tell the two apart. I touched on that in a couple posts. There has to be a joke. A lot of the pictures being referenced here aren't even jokes. Hitler wasn't telling Jew jokes.
So in your estimation, something cannot be simultaneously comedic and bigoted?
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So in your estimation, something cannot be simultaneously comedic and bigoted?
I'm not saying that. I'm also not saying you aren't allowed to think that joke teller is an asshole. You can have a personal reaction to a joke in any way you choose. But "I found that offensive" shouldn't hold any more weight than "I found that funny".
Plus, we're talking about jokes about a topic. There can be tasteless jokes. It's the idea of banning jokes about a certain topic that I have a problem with.
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Gamers and those that comment anonymously on YouTube videos? A real slice of humanity, right?
My favorite part was the part about how if they were good players, they didn't get harassed. No fucking way!?
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You know what happens when I play Call of Duty? I get called a faggot, a nigger (even though I'm white), a bitch, etc. It should come as no surprise that someone who is immediately singled out from the predominantly male voices would attract more attention. Same goes for a person with a foreign accent in a sea of North American ones. I hear it all the time. The study is flawed because they only tested one unique voice quality, then attributed the cause to sexism. That most certainly doesn't qualify for good methodology.
It should also come as no surprise that words like 'whore' and 'slut' pop up. In every other aspect of speech, we have words relating to women and words relating to men. Why, when it comes to profanity, is this suddenly always an issue? You know what those female gamers won't get called? Dickhead, asshole, fuck face, faggot, and any other number of names more commonly associated with men.
And yes, those words are highly sexual in nature. The majority of English profanity is highly sexual in nature. How is any of this not obvious?

And as BVS pointed out, a survey of behaviour on the internet is hardly representative of normal, everyday behaviour. The language used on line and especially in gaming is more about eliciting a response than it is about any personal beliefs behind what is being said. You're being successfully trolled.

And you still haven't demonstrated how women are less protected than minorities. You haven't even tried
And again, if they weren't shitty players, they didn't get harassed in the survey. So, really all this research proves is that if you want the other nameless faces in other parts of the world to play nice with you, don't suck.
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I lost track with this thread, but what about stuff like this?

Louis CK - Rape - YouTube

I think this is hilarious. I really like Louis CK, he's one of the comedians pushing boundaries.
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