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Old 05-30-2013, 05:39 PM   #226
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You guys are cherry picking extreme examples. But you want all jokes about rape to be banned, correct? Would it not be more fair to cite a few more tame examples? Or an example written by someone with a sense of humour? What are your thoughts on the David cross video?
The article that Pearl posted was about a specific campaign about particular memes which are in fact very extreme. So those are the ones we are talking about.

But for myself, it's true I'd like to live in a world where rape is not considered funny. Because it never is funny to people who experience it, male or female.

It's not that we need to ban rape jokes, it's that we need to change our cultural understanding of what's acceptable. Sometime in the last 100 years we in America made a decision that hanging black men in public is not a good reason to have a picnic. We don't tell lynch jokes anymore. Sometime in the last 25, we came to a rough consensus that getting ogled by another man is not a good reason to kill him, and that a joke about doing so is not funny. I'd like to see the same thing for sexualized violence. Being a woman is not a good reason to rape her, or joke about it.

And part of getting there is naming the attitude as problematic. We openly shame people who want to harm black people, Jews or gays. We name them as deviant, backwards. We call their attitude a serious social problem, not a bad sense of humor. And by and large people respond to that.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:33 PM   #227
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OK, about that video Jive posted - that was more of a light-hearted view of the reality of date rape. It didn't encourage rape through comedy nor did it attack any rape victims. What David Tosh did a while back was basically threaten the women who heckled him.

There's a difference between making a simple joke on hard the world can be with rape being so common. But to treat it as no big deal or the victim deserved it is not funny at all.

Take this Dave Chappelle rape joke:

Dave Chappelle - Man Rape - YouTube

He was making a statement on how society treats male rape victims. Now if he were to make harsh comments in the form of a joke, then its hurtful.
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What about using it in a context like "man my team got absolutely raped last night!"
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:27 PM   #229
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and next week if they lose twice as bad,
you can say they got raped up the ass


and the officials are retarded
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What about using it in a context like "man my team got absolutely raped last night!"
I personally find it advisable to avoid that.
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I think maybe the word 'joke' has been misplaced in all of this
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:13 PM   #232
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What about using it in a context like "man my team got absolutely raped last night!"
There should be nothing wrong with this. Had you said "man my team got absolutely murdered last night!", nobody would bat an eye
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What about using it in a context like "man my team got absolutely raped last night!"
For me the guiding question would be, if a survivor was sitting there, would they think it was acceptable or funny? If not, than the comment is probably inherently unkind.

I've done this before. I went into a restaurant next to a nail salon. You could smell the salon chemicals in with all the food smells, and I said out loud to my dad and his wife, "Jeez, it smells like cancer in here." Then the uncomfortable silence reminded me that her first husband died of brain cancer. She knew what cancer smells like, and I didn't, and I had just reminded her of the shittiest experience of her life in a totally trivializing way.

Same thing with gay, black, Jew or whatever jokes. The only good ones are the ones that they themselves can enjoy. And for me it doesn't matter if there is in fact a gay, black, Jew, woman, cancer survivor or whatever sitting there- the ethical guideline holds.
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For me the guiding question would be, if a survivor was sitting there, would they think it was acceptable or funny? If not, than the comment is probably inherently unkind.

I've done this before. I went into a restaurant next to a nail salon. You could smell the salon chemicals in with all the food smells, and I said out loud to my dad and his wife, "Jeez, it smells like cancer in here." Then the uncomfortable silence reminded me that her first husband died of brain cancer. She knew what cancer smells like, and I didn't, and I had just reminded her of the shittiest experience of her life in a totally trivializing way.

Same thing with gay, black, jew or whatever jokes. The only good ones are the ones that they themselves can laugh at. Otherwise, they are hurtful.

Better not make any jokes then!
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Better not make any jokes then!
Because humor can only exist at someone else's expense. Right.
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Because if we eliminated all jokes that anyone found offensive, we wouldn't be left with much.

Is "It smells like cancer in here" even a joke?? The issue here might be a lack of a sense of humour
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What was that Mel Brooks quote, 'comedy is when you fall down a manhole, tragedy is when I stub my toe'.

Of course comedy doesn't actually have to be at someone else's expense, but the wellsprings of humour are often, let us be frank, pain and misery. I'm minded to think that heaven (well the hollywood version) might be an inherently humourless place.
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There's tasteful jokes and there are tasteless jokes. Some people prefer tasteless and could careless what anyone thinks, and they love to shock for the sake of shock. That is the problem.
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There's tasteful jokes and there are tasteless jokes. Some people prefer tasteless and could careless what anyone thinks, and they love to shock for the sake of shock. That is the problem.
No, the problem is the other people thinking their offense means anything to anyone but themselves. You can be offended. By why should you assume anyone would care or that something must be done about it? The proper response to "That offended me" is "ok"
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I'd love to hear what some of you consider a funny joke
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