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Old 05-29-2013, 09:57 PM   #211
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I'm pretty sure this is why women like gay porn and read slash. Every possibility is absolutely reciprocal. There's no default power dynamic- they have to be decided on.


this i agree with. i find the power imbalance of hetero porn uncomfortable at times, as well as some depictions of hetero intercourse in media.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:23 PM   #212
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Not to disrupt the debate here, but I just wanted to post this before it becomes old news:

The Futile Quest To End Rape Jokes On The Internet Continues - Forbes

Seriously, I just don't understand such vile hate some men guys have towards women. What is it about us that makes these shits hate us so much?
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:50 PM   #213
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Not to disrupt the debate here, but I just wanted to post this before it becomes old news:

The Futile Quest To End Rape Jokes On The Internet Continues - Forbes

Seriously, I just don't understand such vile hate some men guys have towards women. What is it about us that makes these shits hate us so much?
That is interesting. I just started following the whole wrap and tap thing a day or so ago.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #214
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Not to disrupt the debate here, but I just wanted to post this before it becomes old news:

The Futile Quest To End Rape Jokes On The Internet Continues - Forbes

Seriously, I just don't understand such vile hate some men guys have towards women. What is it about us that makes these shits hate us so much?
There are funny rape jokes. There are funny cancer jokes. There are funny priest jokes. There are funny blonde jokes. There are funny atheist jokes. There are funny Christian jokes. There are funny old people jokes.
None of these groups are special or immune to having jokes made about them. It doesn't mean all jokes about these things are funny; there has to be a joke. It also doesn't mean anyone has to be hated to have a joke made about them.

The mere act of trying to get any kind of joke censored is an act of superiority.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:38 PM   #215
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There are funny rape jokes. There are funny cancer jokes. There are funny priest jokes. There are funny blonde jokes. There are funny atheist jokes. There are funny Christian jokes. There are funny old people jokes.
None of these groups are special or immune to having jokes made about them. It doesn't mean all jokes about these things are funny; there has to be a joke. It also doesn't mean anyone has to be hated to have a joke made about them.

The mere act of trying to get any kind of joke censored is an act of superiority.
I have to strongly disagree, Jive. I'm OK with a meme joking that women belong in the kitchen, but memes that show a woman with a black eye and the caption says she should've stayed in the kitchen, are not funny at all. Those are hateful and frightening to me, and plenty of other women. And I fail to see how rape can be humorous when "done correctly".
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until yesterday, I would have said 'rape' is never a joking matter
and then I started watching an old TV series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=qpivx9UTzt4
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:48 PM   #217
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I have to strongly disagree, Jive. I'm OK with a meme joking that women belong in the kitchen, but memes that show a woman with a black eye and the caption says she should've stayed in the kitchen, are not funny at all. Those are hateful and frightening to me, and plenty of other women. And I fail to see how rape can be humorous when "done correctly".
You have every right to not think they're funny. But your offense isn't special or more important than say, someone offended by a dead baby joke. It's not the fact that some people don't think they're funny that I have a problem with; it's the idea that, because those people don't think they're funny, they need to be censored. But rest assured, the vast majority of people making those jokes don't hate you. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people making those jokes also suck at making jokes

I'm getting some serious deja vu. We definitely all talked about this not too long ago. But hey, when has that ever stopped us before?
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David Cross - Date Rape Tips - YouTube
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I have to strongly disagree, Jive. I'm OK with a meme joking that women belong in the kitchen, but memes that show a woman with a black eye and the caption says she should've stayed in the kitchen, are not funny at all. Those are hateful and frightening to me, and plenty of other women. And I fail to see how rape can be humorous when "done correctly".
Yeah. I've laughed at rape jokes before but the Facebook memes you're talking about go way over the line.
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Yeah. I've laughed at rape jokes before but the Facebook memes you're talking about go way over the line.
Agreed. If there was, say, a photo of a black man gagged, bound and tied to the back of a truck with a caption like "Time to go for a walk," that wouldn't be a race joke, that would be hate speech. And those FB memes that are being targeted are not at all different.
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You have every right to not think they're funny. But your offense isn't special or more important than say, someone offended by a dead baby joke. It's not the fact that some people don't think they're funny that I have a problem with; it's the idea that, because those people don't think they're funny, they need to be censored. But rest assured, the vast majority of people making those jokes don't hate you. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people making those jokes also suck at making jokes

I'm getting some serious deja vu. We definitely all talked about this not too long ago. But hey, when has that ever stopped us before?
I'm going to echo what Jeevey said. If there were memes of a black person beaten up and the caption read how he should've given up his seat, that cannot be considered humorous at all. It is offensive, hateful and dangerous. I don't think violent memes targeting blacks, gays, or Jews will last long on Facebook. Also, any guy who says he finds violent memes targeting women funny, but says he doesn't support misogyny, is contradicting himself big time. I'm not saying any of the guys here in FYM are like that (I hope not!), but there are guys out there who contradict themselves like that.
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I have to strongly disagree, Jive. I'm OK with a meme joking that women belong in the kitchen, but memes that show a woman with a black eye and the caption says she should've stayed in the kitchen, are not funny at all. Those are hateful and frightening to me, and plenty of other women. And I fail to see how rape can be humorous when "done correctly".


should Nirvana not have recorded "Rape Me"?
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Well, for one, Rape Me is making a request. If an act is desired, it's not rape (By definition rape requires force or compulsion.) For one more, it's not suggesting that anyone deserves or needs or ought to be raped. And for another it's not making a joke or asking anyone to take rape lightly. So it's not really the same.

A better comparison would be, should we make a photo of a Jew with a star on his chest and a caption that says "Target Practice". That's the same, because it suggests that someone deserves violence by the simple fact of what they are. To which the answer would pretty obviously be no.
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You guys are cherry picking extreme examples. But you want all jokes about rape to be banned, correct? Would it not be more fair to cite a few more tame examples? Or an example written by someone with a sense of humour? What are your thoughts on the David cross video?
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I watched it all and it was pretty boring, lowbrow.
But since he was performing for a paying audience, and they chose to be there, any talk of banning it is just stupid.
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