Screwtape2
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I'm not voting.
So voting on principle is wrong now?Are you actually going to vote for Barr?
If so, I fucking get on my knees and plead that you don't. It's throwing your vote away. You don't even have to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain at least would actually matter. A vote for Barr has as much value as a vote for my pet cat. Same for Nader.
"Barack, of course (with Barr as my second choice). "
Shame.
Maybe a new poll.
So voting on principle is wrong now?
I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.
There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.
There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
If this election was Hitler (polling at 45%) vs. Stalin (polling at 45%) vs. Bob Barr (polling at 1%), I would not vote to Stalin because he is slightly closer to my viewpoints than Hitler. I would vote for Barr.
Except that in a democracy Hitler and Stalin wouldn't get past the primaries
Then why not just abolish third parties?I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.
There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
Hehe. I like Barr, and am probably a libertarian-leaning-progressive/liberal/nutroot-crazy, but, in the end, I support Barack.
This is interesting.
How so?
Because we are constantly being told on FYM that all US libertarians are right-wing, tax-cutting, selfish, f**k the poor types.
I have always suspected that that is incorrect, and your post vindicates my intuition.
but, financeguy, i'm a libertarian too.
Because we are constantly being told on FYM that all US libertarians are right-wing, tax-cutting, selfish, f**k the poor types.
I have always suspected that that is incorrect, and your post vindicates my intuition.
Voting for Barr, then?
i doubt it. libertarian capitalism is not my bag.
Maybe it is outside the scope of this thread, but I would be interested as to how you would propose to reconcile implementing a libertarian programme whilst also outlawing capitalism, which in my view is really just the name left-wingers sometimes give to the desire of ordinary people to improve their lives. Possibly, you would define capitalism in a different way.
Well, if you don't engage and explain your arguments, it isn't very likely that they will gain influence.
you'll be happy to know that i'm not very optimistic that they will gain influence regardless.
I would rather enjoy freedom and a clear conscience than be forced to choose between expansionist statist candidates.
Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
I am not a Nader fan, the man has always struck me as entirely self-serving, but I think it's time to get over it.
You surely don't think that those damn Nader voters voted the way they did purely to mess up Gore's chances.
They didn't vote for Bush, what have they got to apologise for?Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
I am not a Nader fan, the man has always struck me as entirely self-serving, but I think it's time to get over it.
You surely don't think that those damn Nader voters voted the way they did purely to mess up Gore's chances.