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Obama/Biden 42 72.41%
McCain/Palin 10 17.24%
Nader/Gonzalez 3 5.17%
Barr/Root 1 1.72%
I suck and will not exercise my right to vote. 2 3.45%
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:37 PM   #46
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Because we are constantly being told on FYM that all US libertarians are right-wing, tax-cutting, selfish, f**k the poor types.

I have always suspected that that is incorrect, and your post vindicates my intuition.
In general, I think U.S. libertarians are much more compassionate than they're portrayed. They're not Ayn Rand.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:42 PM   #47
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Voting for Barr, then?
i doubt it. libertarian capitalism is not my bag.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:44 PM   #48
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i doubt it. libertarian capitalism is not my bag.
Maybe it is outside the scope of this thread, but I would be interested as to how you would propose to reconcile implementing a libertarian programme whilst also outlawing capitalism, which in my view is really just the name left-wingers sometimes give to the desire of ordinary people to improve their lives. Possibly, you would define capitalism in a different way.
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Maybe it is outside the scope of this thread, but I would be interested as to how you would propose to reconcile implementing a libertarian programme whilst also outlawing capitalism, which in my view is really just the name left-wingers sometimes give to the desire of ordinary people to improve their lives. Possibly, you would define capitalism in a different way.
it's certainly outside the scope of this thread.
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Well, if you don't engage and explain your arguments, it isn't very likely that they will gain influence.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:49 PM   #51
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Well, if you don't engage and explain your arguments, it isn't very likely that they will gain influence.
you'll be happy to know that i'm not very optimistic that they will gain influence regardless.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:54 PM   #52
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you'll be happy to know that i'm not very optimistic that they will gain influence regardless.

Why would I be happy to know such a thing?

Oh no hold on. I want to crush the workers heads' under the capitalist boot.

That's what you think, Seven, isn't it?
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I would rather enjoy freedom and a clear conscience than be forced to choose between expansionist statist candidates.

Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
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Crushing the workers' heads under the capitalist boot isn't exactly good for capitalism, anyway, at least under ideal circumstances. China's another story, for the time being.
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Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
This is why we need some sort of an instant-runoff system.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:01 PM   #56
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Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
I am not a Nader fan, the man has always struck me as entirely self-serving, but I think it's time to get over it.

You surely don't think that those damn Nader voters voted the way they did purely to mess up Gore's chances.
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I am not a Nader fan, the man has always struck me as entirely self-serving, but I think it's time to get over it.

You surely don't think that those damn Nader voters voted the way they did purely to mess up Gore's chances.
What's more is that Gore couldn't/didn't win his own state. Now it is true that TN has changed a lot since his father was a politician and since Gore lived there full time. But still, he lost by the slimmest margin, if one. This could have been avoided.
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Can we have a truly anonymous poll here in the US and find out how many of those damn Nader voters from last time have a "clear conscience"?
They didn't vote for Bush, what have they got to apologise for?
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It's utterly moronic to give a candidate 25 EVs if for a plurality of the votes when, if second-choices were counted (not to mention if the election had been done in an ethical manner in the first place), the other major candidate would have a majority of the votes.
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I am not a Nader fan, the man has always struck me as entirely self-serving, but I think it's time to get over it.

You surely don't think that those damn Nader voters voted the way they did purely to mess up Gore's chances.
Agreed. If you want to blame someone for 2000, blame the media for portraying Gore as a boring man without passion. Blame the people who voted on personality not who would be best for the country. Blame the people too dumb to see how good the country was under Clinton.
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