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Obama/Biden 42 72.41%
McCain/Palin 10 17.24%
Nader/Gonzalez 3 5.17%
Barr/Root 1 1.72%
I suck and will not exercise my right to vote. 2 3.45%
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:03 PM   #31
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I'm not voting.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:09 PM   #32
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Are you actually going to vote for Barr?

If so, I fucking get on my knees and plead that you don't. It's throwing your vote away. You don't even have to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain at least would actually matter. A vote for Barr has as much value as a vote for my pet cat. Same for Nader.
So voting on principle is wrong now?
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"Barack, of course (with Barr as my second choice). "

Shame.

Maybe a new poll.



Hehe. I like Barr, and am probably a libertarian-leaning-progressive/liberal/nutroot-crazy, but, in the end, I support Barack.
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People should vote for whomever they want to vote.

If they want to write in Bugs Bunny that's fine by me too, they're throwing away their vote, not mine.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:13 PM   #35
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So voting on principle is wrong now?
I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.

There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:14 PM   #36
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I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.

There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
why would someone in new york or massachusetts vote for john mccain?
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I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.

There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
If this election was Hitler (polling at 45%) vs. Stalin (polling at 45%) vs. Bob Barr (polling at 1%), I would not vote to Stalin because he is slightly closer to my viewpoints than Hitler. I would vote for Barr.
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If this election was Hitler (polling at 45%) vs. Stalin (polling at 45%) vs. Bob Barr (polling at 1%), I would not vote to Stalin because he is slightly closer to my viewpoints than Hitler. I would vote for Barr.
Except that in a democracy Hitler and Stalin wouldn't get past the primaries
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Except that in a democracy Hitler and Stalin wouldn't get past the primaries
You're forgetting that Hitler was democratically elected, and Stalin ran the U.S.S.R. mainly because of a massive, quasi-democratic (not through official means) demand for Marxism in Russia. Democracy is not as great as it is made out to be. Democracy leads to leaders doing whatever will get them elected, not what is right. Democracy allows leaders to be bought out so they can be re-elected. Democracy allows money to run the country, and fries the free press, replacing it with the corporate press mess that we have today. Democracy has a tendency to be a great enemy of liberty, which is why I cannot stand the 17th amendment.
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I don't support it. It is an idealistic protest that has no function in reality except to enable some guy who is egotistical enough to run for president even when he knows he doesn't have snowball's chance in hell of winning to siphon off votes that could go to either of the other candidates. It skews the voting process.

There's only two people that can win, so you might as well vote for one of them.
Then why not just abolish third parties?

I think your view is contemptuously illiberal, an obligation to vote for the lesser evil is not a good thing, I would rather enjoy freedom and a clear conscience than be forced to choose between expansionist statist candidates.
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Hehe. I like Barr, and am probably a libertarian-leaning-progressive/liberal/nutroot-crazy, but, in the end, I support Barack.
This is interesting.
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This is interesting.
How so?
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How so?
Because we are constantly being told on FYM that all US libertarians are right-wing, tax-cutting, selfish, f**k the poor types.

I have always suspected that that is incorrect, and your post vindicates my intuition.
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Because we are constantly being told on FYM that all US libertarians are right-wing, tax-cutting, selfish, f**k the poor types.

I have always suspected that that is incorrect, and your post vindicates my intuition.
but, financeguy, i'm a libertarian too.
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but, financeguy, i'm a libertarian too.
Voting for Barr, then?
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