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Old 06-15-2009, 06:14 PM   #91
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The problem with liberals is that they see Rush and Beck and Hannity and these "evil" people as leaders of any consequence in the Republican party. They're not. They're commentators. Do you see Keith Olbermann or Bill Maher as leaders of the Democratic Party?
The problem is conservatives can't tell the difference between a talking head and a left leaning commentator. <---See what i did there?

The day Olbermann or Maher are conducting "project chaos" type of movements then you'll have a point, until then you aren't even close.




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By the way, maybe some of you saw the latest Gallup poll out. 40% of Americans define themselves as conservatives. 35% call themselves moderate, and 21% liberal. Unlike in 2008, if conservative candidates run in 2010 and 2012, the GOP looks poised for a comeback based on that poll. Conservatives always outnumber liberals by roughly 2-1 in such polls, but this should be troubling news to those who think the country is suddenly turning dark blue and falling in love with everything the Democrats are doing. Also, maybe you saw the poll a few days ago where 42% trust the Republicans on the economy versus 36% for the Democrats.
Polls are great aren't they? You use them when they favor your opinion and then ignore them when they don't. Otherwords they are completely useless. There are so many factors in a "what do you label yourself as" type of poll it's ridiculous.

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Again I say the seemingly endless bashing of Palin must be based on fear that she can win in 2012. That's the only reason. If she was really such a dumb candidate with no appeal and would be a breeze to defeat, why trash her? You should be building her up so she wins the nomination and get destroyed by Obama, right? All this talk about her being uninformed and stupid is nonsense.
You really don't get it do you? Rush tries to make this spin all the time, must be where you get it... Do you honestly look at Palin and think she's an informed woman?
In other aspects of life do you see media targets as people who we fear? Do Heidi and Spencer get made fun of because we fear them? Why would it all of a sudden change? Sorry, media targets are media targets for a reason. You can twist it all you want but it makes you look pretty silly.

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Even if that is true- which, of course, it isn't, but even if it was- if there's one thing we learned in November it's that you can win the White House even if you have no substance or knowledge of policy as long as you resonate with people.
I really don't think you of all people should be saying this, do I have to remind you of the sattellite footage?

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Are you saying that anyone who is imperfect and falters and does something they were taught not to do deserves whatever is thrown at them, no matter how unnecessary and vicious? Because that's what I'm getting from you. From what I see, Bristol is turning what happened to her into a great positive and she should be applauded for how she is handling her new life.
Really? That's what you're getting from me? Then your comprehension skills need to be questioned.

Lots of teenage girls get pregnant, many of which get vilified by the right, but not many go on talk shows and get magazine covers. She's made herself a public figure, for good or bad, public figures are subject to late night TV jokes, satires, etc...
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:17 PM   #92
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Do *any* of you ever that post hateful posts stop and do the math or look at things objectively?

Diamond, I really don't think you have any room to lecture us on hateful posts and being objective. Remember, everything is archived...
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Do *any* of you ever that post hateful posts stop and do the math or look at things objectively?

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I can't speak for others, of course, but for myself, I find that using the "eeny-meeny-miney-mo" method of arriving at conclusions is very useful. Saves all that troublesome thinking.
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The day Olbermann or Maher are conducting "project chaos" type of movements then you'll have a point, until then you aren't even close.
Yeah and what was "Operation Chaos" in response to? Remember liberals voting for McCain? Rush was simply fighting fire with fire.
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Yeah and what was "Operation Chaos" in response to? Remember liberals voting for McCain? Rush was simply fighting fire with fire.

Um, no I don't remember that...

But you're still missing my point.
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I don't look at Palin as a woman or a conservative, I look at her as a politician. And in that context I think she may not be as dumb some make her out to be, but she's not very articulate and has made some asinine statements, at the very least.

I'd like to think that if a man or woman in the mold of a Palin would present themselves on the left, then I'd be just of critical of that person - whatever their gender or political affiliations.
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I don't look at Palin as a woman or a conservative, I look at her as a politician. And in that context I think she may not be as dumb some make her out to be, but she's not very articulate and has made some asinine statements, at the very least.

I'd like to think that if a man or woman in the mold of a Palin would present themselves on the left, then I'd be just of critical of that person - whatever their gender or political affiliations.
She hasn't been great with handling media questions so unless she gets better at it she'll be in tough competition in the primaries. Yet she does have a fighting spirit I like. Lots of people would have felt wounded and run away after the last campaign. She doesn't do that. Some of the males in the conservative party should learn from her courage. She seems more resilient than many of them.
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She hasn't been great with handling media questions so unless she gets better at it she'll be in tough competition in the primaries.
But part of the reason she was so bad at this, is because she isn't informed. She doesn't come off as a very curious knowledge seeking woman, that's why she couldn't answer the magazine question, because honestly I don't she's a woman that really stays current. It doesn't exactly make her dumb, just unqualified for the job she running for...


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Yet she does have a fighting spirit I like. Lots of people would have felt wounded and run away after the last campaign. She doesn't do that. Some of the males in the conservative party should learn from her courage. She seems more resilient than many of them.
Yes, you do have to give her this...

Although I have to wonder if it's a "I don't care" mentality, or maybe she doesn't get it, or maybe she's not as downhome as we think and she's extremely power hungry and will stop at nothing... Who knows
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But part of the reason she was so bad at this, is because she isn't informed. She doesn't come off as a very curious knowledge seeking woman, that's why she couldn't answer the magazine question, because honestly I don't she's a woman that really stays current. It doesn't exactly make her dumb, just unqualified for the job she running for...
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Yes, you do have to give her this...

Although I have to wonder if it's a "I don't care" mentality, or maybe she doesn't get it, or maybe she's not as downhome as we think and she's extremely power hungry and will stop at nothing... Who knows
She has to sink or swim. Politicians who are new can get very nervous and aren't used to tricky media questions. Though I did like it when she ignored that "when to press the nuclear button" question because any answer to that in the debate would have been used to attack her. Stupid setup and she rightly dodged it. She needs to know, (and all conservatives out there), that talking points are based on a premise. If the premise is false it's okay to call them on it.

Here's what I would like Palin to look like in the media:

YouTube - Liz Cheney dismanltes Anderson Cooper

Any new conservative leader needs to play at this level to survive against Obama. I know it's not easy to keep on top of all issues and premises in a 24hour news cycle with untold number of pundits out there but that's the challenge.
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Ok one parent stepped up out of 30 plus posters.

Anyone else?

Do *any* of you ever that post hateful posts stop and do the math or look at things objectively?

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I did. Maybe the word "castration" threw off your mathmatical objectivity.
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There aren't many, but they do exist. .
Aren't many, because most women know that most male Republican politicans would love to see women back where they belong, in the kitchen...." Honey, I'm home"...

Palin is first and foremost a politician, her elevation to vice-presidential candidate was a strategic move by the Republicans, and a good one at that (so glad it didn't work as much as I feared it would, at the time...).

Same way Obama was more of an inspirational figure and strategic, galvanising option for Democrat candidate. In an ideal world, Kucinich would be president today.
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She has to sink or swim. Politicians who are new can get very nervous and aren't used to tricky media questions.
"Tricky media questions"? You're kidding right?

It's this exact type of victim mentality that makes you look so paranoid.
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Politicians who are new can get very nervous and aren't used to tricky media questions.
"Governor Palin, what do read in your spare time?"

Tricky, tricky.
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I can't speak for others, of course, but for myself, I find that using the "eeny-meeny-miney-mo" method of arriving at conclusions is very useful. Saves all that troublesome thinking.
You could just let the man do the thinking for both of you, you know.
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My question to conservatives: why continue to defend her? She clearly isn't up to the task. Why not demand better candidates from your party?

Clearly she's popular among the base of the Republican Party, and that's pretty much it. Why not demand a better candidate who will not only appeal to the core supporters, but expand the base altogether?
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