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Old 06-14-2009, 10:14 PM   #61
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Fear that some of you actually look to this woman or Carrie Prejan as strong leaders.
It has nothing to do with them being viewed as leaders. It has to do with women, prominent or not, who hold beliefs that are the opposite of the liberal agenda and the opposite of what women in this country are "supposed" to believe. And apparently that warrants vicious personal attacks of calling someone slutty and saying someone used to be a man. But why have a healthy debate when you can slander someone?

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There are extremely intelligent conservatives, these two women are not part of that crowd.
Can you give me some names, then?

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Apparently you didn't get the memo - you can't consider yourself a Republican unless you like Sarah Palin - it's the new litmus test. It doesn't matter if she's demonstrated time and again that she's out of her depth when it comes to discussing important issues, or even what media she reads ("all of them" - brilliant!). Party unity trumps all. United we stand!
No....

It has nothing to do with agreeing with her on issues, or even her knowledge of the issues. That can be debated both within and out of the party. That's fine, and I don't see how what you said here has to do with what I thought was being discussed. The idea that I'm getting from Headache and others (and what was the original reason for the thread) is that Palin is some sort of wacko for disliking what Letterman said and deciding to defend herself and her family. The vibe I'm getting in this thread is that she can't do that without being some sort of crazy nut.

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her brain only seems to work a micro second faster than her mouth, but not quite fast enough to construct proper sentences let alone a thoughtful argument
Sounds a bit like the current vice-president, no? Hell, even his boss sometimes.
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:16 PM   #62
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It has nothing to do with agreeing with her on issues, or even her knowledge of the issues. That can be debated both within and out of the party. That's fine, and I don't see how what you said here has to do with what I thought was being discussed. The idea that I'm getting from Headache and others (and what was the original reason for the thread) is that Palin is some sort of wacko for disliking what Letterman said and deciding to defend herself and her family. The vibe I'm getting in this thread is that she can't do that without being some sort of crazy nut.
It's not so much that she disagrees, it's how she demonstrates her disagreement.
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Haven't followed this so no idea what Palin's response has been but I do know that if someone took that kind of shot at my teenage daughter (14 or 18) they'd better expect public, verbal castration.

That said, Bristol has made herself a public figure in a realm that makes her an easy target. That's show business.
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Sounds a bit like the current vice-president, no? Hell, even his boss sometimes.
No, Biden makes perfect sense, he just wanders off script. Obama is almost too careful with every single word. Palin is simply hard to follow. I’m never really sure what’s going on when she speaks, and if you ever read any transcripts of interviews with her… well, it does not become any clearer. She just starts her mouth running. She’ll spit out the occasional well rehearsed right-wing rally cry, which I am sure is meant to be her point, but everything else around it is a mess. Far worse communicator than Bush. I think Bush understood, but couldn't deliver well, and I've even defended the likely level of his intelligence around here. Palin... nope. I can't believe any Republican of any level of intelligence could support her for even a second. I don't understand - truly - what people of any intelligence can see in her.

I’m not even making a political comment. She’s just not up to it, and I do truly think it was actually really unfair on her – the elevation, and thus exposure to the attacks. And you know, if she puts her hand up again (she almost certainly will) she’s going to get monstered in a way she never did last time around. Even just in the Republican primaries. You think Romney etc will play even remotely nice with her? And does she really, really stand a chance? Of course not. So those backing and supporting her are really doing nothing more than setting her up.
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It has nothing to do with them being viewed as leaders. It has to do with women, prominent or not, who hold beliefs that are the opposite of the liberal agenda and the opposite of what women in this country are "supposed" to believe. And apparently that warrants vicious personal attacks of calling someone slutty and saying someone used to be a man. But why have a healthy debate when you can slander someone?
So you don't see Palin as a leader? What does them being women have to do with it? Do you not remember the Clinton dyke jokes? The Janet Reno jokes?

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Can you give me some names, then?
What? You don't know any? That's just sad...
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....That said, Bristol has made herself a public figure in a realm that makes her an easy target. That's show business.
It wasn't Bristol, it was her mom.
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It has to do with women, prominent or not, who hold beliefs that are the opposite of the [whatever] agenda .... And apparently that warrants vicious personal attacks of calling someone slutty and saying someone used to be a man. But why have a healthy debate when you can slander someone?
Your pals on the right have taught us well, it seems.

And it's unfortunate, for both sides, that gender is the first line of attack when disagreeing with a woman.
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It wasn't Bristol, it was her mom.
She's 18 and accepted an appointment as a public spokesperson. If she did it to please her mom, so what, she is now a public figure in her own right.
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Because the Palins have ?


Plain's decision to have Trigg and Bristol's decision to have her baby were held up as the very model of the modern anti-abortion movement.

they have absolutely exploited their children for political gain -- hell, the Palins on the cover of People with those crazy old McCain's was pitched as if it were a fun Thursday night sitcom on NBC -- and will continue to do so. which they have every right to do. after all, all that "Sarah" has is her story.

but please stop crying me a river when someone makes an off-hand joke about it on a late night talk show.

Palin is just trying to get back in the news. it's a simple cry for attention, not much different than Heidi and Spencer.
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One interesting difference is that the left condemns misogyny against Hilary, but turns a blind eye in respect of Palin.


got an example of this? or does it just fit in nicely with what we need to believe in order to further our anti-abortion convictions? (because the implication here, as i understand it, is that the reason Pail has been thrown under the bus by the "left" is because she's anti-choice).
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Seriously, the obsession you and others seem to have with Palin is just disturbing. I think there's something about strong, attractive women standing up for what they believe in (see Carrie Prejean) who are the antithesis of a liberal Democrat.


no. it's because these particular women are idiots.

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letterman is an idiot and palin shouldn't be where she is.

what do we know today that we didn't know yesterday?
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What? You don't know any? That's just sad...
I know plenty. But I'm curious to see who you think are acceptable, intelligent conservatives, since you said there are some.
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She's 18 and accepted an appointment as a public spokesperson. If she did it to please her mom, so what, she is now a public figure in her own right.
Bristol is only a public figure due to the fact that her mother paraded her around the country.

And I disagree with people who say Palin isn't smart. She's smart, but not well educated.

I'm VERY happy knowing she is not in or near the White House.
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Bristol is only a public figure due to the fact that her mother paraded her around the country.

And I disagree with people who say Palin isn't smart. She's smart, but not well educated.

I'm VERY happy knowing she is not in or near the White House.
She apparently got a BA in journalism. I'd say she's educated, but not particularly smart, as well as lacking in common sense and self awareness.

I'd also say that Bristol has made herself a public figure independent of her mother, at this point.
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