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Old 09-30-2009, 11:22 PM   #61
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I was wondering that as well, but couldn't get a response out without flying into TYPING FINGERS OF RAGE.
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:40 PM   #62
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Unfortunately, the allegations against Jackson are not based on innuendo and hearsay. They are based on victims' testimony which was either withdrawn or altered because Jacko paid off his victims, pure and simple.

I accept that we can't exhume a dead man to retrial him in actuality, but in the court of the conscience, frankly, we should be able to.
Testimony is hearsay. There was no solid evidence that a crime had been committed and thus, no conviction.
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:42 PM   #63
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I'm hoping this was a slip on your part, and you meant she had experimented with sex, not rape. If it's a slip it's a doozy. If it's not a slip...

I'm working on a longer response for the thread, but the bit I quoted just keeps bugging the hell out of me. I mean if it isn't a slip, I REALLY want to know just what the fuck lazarus meant by "experimented with rape".
Did you not see the pictures of the tunnel?
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Hold on.

Some here would suggest the photos be considered "art".

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I'd also like to know what brought you to this conclusion......
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Testimony is hearsay.
Since when?
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:54 PM   #66
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Since when?
Sorry, you're right. What i meant was that there was no actual physical evidence. Just an allegation of an event that could conveniently result in a big payday for the 'victim'. But honestly, its not even relevant to this discussion. It just gets under my skin when people treat the man as guilty until proven innocent as if they are privy to some information that the rest of us dont know about (in reference to MJ)
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I'd also like to know what brought you to this conclusion......


part of my distaste with this whole thing is that the typical conservative jihadists -- like Michelle Malkin and diamond -- are trying to use this single incident as proof that everyone in Hollywood (or France) are either, 1) ok with child rape, because sex is natural, man, so just pop a 'lude and relax because if it feels good, do it, and God Is Dead so why should you worry, and yeah, man, relax, and you know these people all secretly support NAMBLA; or, 2) the man is an artist! and therefore he's allowed to do whatever he wants for the name of art.

so, that's where my discomfort with some of the anger surrounding this event comes from. it's been politicized by many on the right as an even that "proves" the moral depravity of Hollywood/France/artists.

i also don't think it's out of bounds to point out that Polanski was a Holocaust survivor, did come from a different culture and time period, even in the 1960s 13 and 14 year olds could be married (see Loretta Lynn, Jerry Lee Lewis), he is a great artist, his first wife was Sharon Tate who was brutally murdered by the Manson people and had their child literally cut out of her womb, and that Polanski has lived a productive life with absolutely no further issues. it's clear that Polanksi isn't a monster trolling the playgrounds in a white van with a mattress in the back.

however, he did do a very bad thing, and there's no getting around that fact. a serious crime was committed, and he fled the country. he has now been caught. and something should happen.
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I don't think he's a monster. I think he should serve his time for the crime he committed. (But I see Irvine's point.)

If he doesn't, it sends a message that that while Roman Polanski is a great director and above the law, the thirteen year old girl he raped is expendable.

A stretch? They're holding up the man over his crime and therefore stating his importance over the victim's. So no. Not so much of a stretch.
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I don't think he's a monster. I think he should serve his time for the crime he committed. (But I see Irvine's point.)

If he doesn't, it sends a message that that while Roman Polanski is a great director and above the law, the thirteen year old girl he raped is expendable.

A stretch? They're holding up the man over his crime and therefore stating his importance over the victim's. So no. Not so much of a stretch.


agreed on all points.
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What kind of sentence is apt in this case though? Do they revert back to the original deal, which was a couple of weeks in jail, if I remember correctly, or have him serve out a new line of sentencing?

I'm not trying to imply what he did wasn't awful, but what do you do at this point, 30+ years after the fact?
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It's no coincidence that Hillary Clinton's State Department has made it a top priority to tackle, and bring attention to, the overlapping issues of sex trafficking, abuse of women and girls, and women's rights, and that Polanski is going to be extradited to the U.S. Good for her, I say.
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What kind of sentence is apt in this case though? Do they revert back to the original deal, which was a couple of weeks in jail, if I remember correctly, or have him serve out a new line of sentencing?

I'm not trying to imply what he did wasn't awful, but what do you do at this point, 30+ years after the fact?
No idea, and I'm glad that's not my job to decide. Definitely don't think that should be a reason for him not to be extradited (not that I think you're implying that, LMP).

Would there be an additional sentence for fleeing the country on top of for the rape sentence?
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He pled guilty and was released after a 40 something day psychiatric evaluation. Who knows, maybe that would have been it.

If he didn't flee he would have been out and free a long time ago and might not have served much of a sentence anyway. I don't care what the mores were at that time, a child is always a child. Her past at that time is also completely irrelevant, morally and legally.
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:08 PM   #75
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Because people find it appalling that you might suggest a thirteen year old shares some responsibility in her being raped by a guy in his thirties?
Not that it's really relevant, thirties vs 40's-but he was 43

If anyone's interested this article has some information from the grand jury transcripts

Roman Polanski Victim's Testimony Released: What Did He Do? - ABC News
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