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Old 10-03-2009, 06:23 PM   #166
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I do wonder if the justice system would have went through the same trouble decades later if this had not involved a celebrity
it should have, but still
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Old 10-03-2009, 06:27 PM   #167
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Well, it may be hard to accept, but here the opinion of the victim doesn't play any role. She may have forgiven him, and she may want him to go free, but that's entirely her opinion. The legal system is not setup to accommodate the wishes of the victim. Otherwise, if she wished the plague on him the sentence would have to be accordingly in order to go with the victim's feelings. But it needs to be neutral to that.

There is a lot of speculation that Switzerland is trying to make good weather with the US after the UBS debacle and such. Whatever the underlying reasons are that they suddenly decided they would act on the US's international warrant, and it's pretty certain they had their reasons, in the end his past caught him and well, now he has to deal with it.
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Old 10-03-2009, 06:29 PM   #168
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could it be:
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Left is wrong in this instance?

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I don't see it as a right vs. left issue. I'm a liberal, and I think he should have to pay for what he did, which I think was wrong on so-ooo many levels.
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:00 PM   #169
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Left is wrong in this instance?

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Old 10-03-2009, 07:16 PM   #170
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This woman clearly would rather put the whole thing behind her than to have to re-live the whole thing again in a trial and to have her family be put through it.
What trial? He was already convicted.
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:02 PM   #171
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What trial? He was already convicted.
You're right. I was thinking of potential future legal proceedings concerning his having run from the charges.

But still, she has said that just having the details of all of this being reported ad nauseam by the media harms her family, and the longer Polanski is in the news, so, by association, is she and her family. She doesn't want that.
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by your logic

the more heinous the crime the better

a 43 year old man anally raping a 13 year old girl as she is crying and begging him to stop, might be the way to go, because she won't want to testify to the graphic details


at least when some time past, Polanski had some time to think about his behavior

two years later in 1979, 45 year old Polanski said "If I had killed somebody, it wouldn't have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But … fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls. Everyone wants to fuck young girls!"
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with the icon, in conjunction with the statement at hand, a caveman would be able to decipher my original intent.

"jest"-say it.



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in that case, kudos to you sir. i don't think anyone else could joking call other members of the forum pedophiles and get away with it. 'tis a fine testament to your wit that you're capable or doing that
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I am amazed that this has turned into a left verses right issue.
I'm pleased that the majority of FYMers have common sense about this issue.
I did look hard at this list and found no Right Wingers on it.:

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Old 10-03-2009, 10:43 PM   #176
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by your logic

the more heinous the crime the better

a 43 year old man anally raping a 13 year old girl as she is crying and begging him to stop, might be the way to go, because she won't want to testify to the graphic details
Way to twist my words. I never ever condoned what he did. Never. And not wanting to testify wasn't the only reason she gave - I'm not even sure it's a reason she gave at all; she said that she believed he was sorry(though that's a bit harder to believe given the quote below) and that she didn't think he should be locked up forever.

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at least when some time past, Polanski had some time to think about his behavior

two years later in 1979, 45 year old Polanski said "If I had killed somebody, it wouldn't have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But … fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls. Everyone wants to fuck young girls!"
That's pretty disgusting. But it was still only two years later. Is it possible he could've had a change of heart in the 30 that followed? Yes. Could he have not had a change of heart and still believe today what he said there? Yes. I have no way of knowing how he feels about it now, and I don't think you do either.

None of this changes the fact that it seems like the powers that be are doing this for the wrong reasons or the fact that the woman has shown zero interest in digging this up again all these years later.
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I'm gonna save my money and buy a chateau in France, commit a crime in the US, and before my sentencing, flee to France. At least, let's encourage all American criminals to do the same. I would love to have the ability to do that, and not have to suffer "real" consequences for my actions. Hopefully, over time, the US would forget about my crime because of the length of time I was on the run. I will definitely have had a change of heart after many years have passed so that forgiving me would be even much easier on the conscience. Let's encourage the image that some people can get away with rape and fleeing the authorities and while other citizens can't.
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That Polanski quote makes me think of him as total scum. Scum + infinity.
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in that case, kudos to you sir. i don't think anyone else could joking call other members of the forum pedophiles
Where did I jokingly or otherwise call any member of this forum that word?

What I did was point out that watering down what Polanski did any degree would be wrong.



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I'm not sure he should be extradited, for two reasons:

1. I don't think the U.S. is going after him now for the right reasons. The girl, who is now an adult woman, has gone on the record saying that she doesn't think he should be locked up:



This woman clearly would rather put the whole thing behind her than to have to re-live the whole thing again in a trial and to have her family be put through it. In my opinion, and it is my opinion, and you may think I'm 100% wrong, if the victim doesn't feel strongly about prosecuting anymore, than the justice system shouldn't go after the perpetuator too strongly. Not just for this case, for any case. If the victim doesn't want to prosecute - and this woman has said she doesn't - that's it. That's the ballgame. When a crime is committed, no one's opinion matters more than the victim(provided the victim is of sound mind); not the lawyers, not the judges, not the government officials, not the victim's family, not the accused, not the public, no one - if the victim says she doesn't want to prosecute, then the one true right reason to prosecute any crime - to get justice for the victim - is weakened.
So if a man rapes a mentally retarded person with an IQ of 3 yr old, the rapist gets an easier sentence or does it depend on how intelligent the person is to merit what type of prosecution and penalty society should pursue?

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