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Old 12-02-2011, 11:13 PM   #1
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"If Christianity goes, so does Europe"

A stark warning.

If Christianity goes, so does Europe – Telegraph Blogs
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Old 12-02-2011, 11:28 PM   #2
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Ya, that guy isn't at all biased
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:48 AM   #3
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I like the sound of a religion dying.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:59 AM   #4
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I like the sound of a religion dying.
Or in the words of another Vlad:

"Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class."
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Or in the words of another Vlad:

"Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class."
Yes, and?
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There are quite a few non-Christian countries in Europe, e.g. the Czech Republic (majority atheist), and Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia are indigenously Islamic.

None of them are a threat to European unity; in fact the Czech Republic is already part of the EU and the other three countries wish to join. I therefore declare the Telegraph article BS.

Mind you, the Telegraph is a newspaper with a eurosceptic outlook. This kind of 'Europe is a failure / Europe's going to collapse / we're all doomed' nonsense makes up the bigger part of what they print these days.
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:38 AM   #8
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I have no idea if Financeguy posted this in any seriousness (given his historical atheism, I have a hard time believing it), but as with things of this sort the author has half a point, I guess. Or more accurately, Pope Benedict does. Christianity is part of the ancient fabric of the thing called 'Europe', just as Islam is of the Arab world. And both owe an enormous debt to the ancient Greco-Roman world. Quite where we all go from here, though, is a far more complex matter.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:03 PM   #9
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There are quite a few non-Christian countries in Europe, e.g. the Czech Republic (majority atheist), and Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia are indigenously Islamic.

None of them are a threat to European unity; in fact the Czech Republic is already part of the EU and the other three countries wish to join. I therefore declare the Telegraph article BS.

Mind you, the Telegraph is a newspaper with a eurosceptic outlook. This kind of 'Europe is a failure / Europe's going to collapse / we're all doomed' nonsense makes up the bigger part of what they print these days.
Indeed. There are many countries and peoples in Europe that are not christian. Countries like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Czech Republic, are mostly atheist.
There are many jews in France, in Italy and Germany and there's a growing community of Budhists in Europe also. There are many islamists in countries like Albania, Greece, Serbia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Croatia or Turkey.
In fact, in the western Europe, I tend to believe that most people are atheists, but since they were baptised and had a christian education, statistics cathegorize these countries as christian. It's palpable that a big majority of people in these countries don't pratice any religion. Statistics say that 80% of Portuguese and Spanish are devote catholic. I can only laugh when I read things like these. It makes no sense at all if you live in these countries and deal with the spiritual reality of it.
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2 out of 5 for the article.

2.5 out of 5 for the ironic thread.

4.5 / 10
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I like the title of the article, but they should have done something like this:

If Christianity goes, so does Europe, Nutella, and all the hot Hungarian babes.
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IThere are many islamists in countries like Albania
I've worked and gone to school with a good number of Albanians over the years. They've said while their country is considered Muslim by statistics, most do not practice it. During communism, Albania was declared an atheist state and today, most Albanians call themselves that. They're only Muslim according to culture, like Ireland has a Catholic culture.
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Surely the foundation of the idea of Europe really comes from Roman times and for the majority of that time it was Pagan...Christianity has changed beyond all recognition from whenever the notion of Europe was thought up, which period of Christianity should we so desperately hold on to? The witch burning one? The current widespread child abuse Catholic church? The women restricted to the kitchen?

As has been mentioned the good parts of Christian philosophy have merely been co-opted from Greco-Roman philosophers.

Things change, time to move on.
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Surely the foundation of the idea of Europe really comes from Roman times and for the majority of that time it was Pagan...Christianity has changed beyond all recognition from whenever the notion of Europe was thought up, which period of Christianity should we so desperately hold on to? The witch burning one? The current widespread child abuse Catholic church? The women restricted to the kitchen?

As has been mentioned the good parts of Christian philosophy have merely been co-opted from Greco-Roman philosophers.

Things change, time to move on.


The abuses you mentioned were caused by a misguided religion, not from the
teachings of Jesus.
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The abuses you mentioned were caused by a misguided religion, not from the
teachings of Jesus.
Jesus taught that gay people should be demeaned and actively barred from expressing their love for another human being and seeking equal protections for their relationships?

Jesus taught that it's okay to torture your enemy if you think it helps your cause?

Jesus taught that blacks and whites shouldn't mix?

(note that I'm not ascribing all these beliefs to you personally)
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