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Old 10-21-2008, 10:21 PM   #46
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Listen, if you think that "health of the mother" is far too broad, make legislators tighten up the definition.
They definitely should.

Your post gives a compelling perspective, thanks for that.

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Look about 4 posts above by Utoo........
Thanks. I'm still not sure.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:26 PM   #47
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Carlos, I have two questions:

1) Has this thread helped you in any way (i.e.: people presenting facts, through links, and the opinion of a pediatrician)?

2) Is there a particular reason why abortion is the number one issue on your list, ahead of the economy, foreign policy, and civil rights?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:20 PM   #48
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Can I say for the record that I would choose to abort if rape or incest were involved?

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Old 10-21-2008, 11:22 PM   #49
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The Roe v. Wade decision still leaves late-term abortion to the states. Obama said he'd uphold the court decision. If your concern is late-term abortion in your state, why not consider who you are electing as your state officials? Or why not move to a state that supports where you stand? If it's a personal decision, it's a personal decision. Why try to make it universal? You having the difficulty making the decision is just a microcosm of how divided the country is on the issue.

Diamond for you to say that the person committing suicide is not innocent is a very vile thing to say. I wonder if you've ever been a survivor of a loved one who committed suicide? I have. My friend was very much innocent. She was a victim. A victim who was abused and mistreated. A victim who unfortunately lived in an age where the current medicine could not help her. Her parents were literally waiting for a medical breakthrough. I ask that you use caution in deciding matters of who is innocent and who is not when considering areas you are unfamiliar with.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:23 PM   #50
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Can I say for the record that I would choose to abort if rape or incest were involved?

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But you'd sacrifice your wife if her health were endangered by giving birth ?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:25 PM   #51
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Can I say for the record that I would choose to abort if rape or incest were involved?

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Is a rape baby any less sacred?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:40 PM   #52
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Can I say for the record that I would choose to abort if rape or incest were involved?

Can you say for the record how the rape victim could satisfactorily prove to you rape so you would allow her to have the abortion?

Or how would the 12-year-old be able to prove that her father fucked her and made her pregnant?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:43 PM   #53
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But you'd sacrifice your wife if her health were endangered by giving birth ?
Clearly he would. Even if it were his daughter.

Because the woman is just a vessel to the pro-life people. They actually don't give a shit about the woman or the baby once it's born. It's all about the fetus with most of them.


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of the 2 parties involved, one is innocent the other not.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:45 PM   #54
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Absolutely it is.
Who do you want making these decisions for your wife?

The two of you?

Or a legislator from Kentucky?
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Is a rape baby any less sacred?
I missed that part in the Bible, come to think of it I missed Jesus's entire outpourings on the topic during his sermon on the mount (sinai family planning clinic)
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Circumstances like that are extremely rare, but hyped up by the pro choice people.

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Not as rare as an Uncle wanting to marry his nephew or a man wanting to marry a robot, yet you use those arguments all the time... The difference is this rare circumstance is REAL, yours is just some figment of the extreme right's imagination.
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why? isn't that life just as innocent as any other?
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why? isn't that life just as innocent as any other?


Now we're getting somewhere.
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Circumstances like that are extremely rare, but hyped up by the pro choice people.

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Actually, diamond, they are NOT at all rare. Nature and childbirth are not some "lala let's pick daisies walk in the park" for everyone. Complications, and serious ones at that, are horribly more commonplace than you'd think. Don't be naive.
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Carlos, I have two questions:

1) Has this thread helped you in any way (i.e.: people presenting facts, through links, and the opinion of a pediatrician)?

2) Is there a particular reason why abortion is the number one issue on your list, ahead of the economy, foreign policy, and civil rights?
First of all, thanks to all responding to this thread.
I rarely post here and I wonder if this should have been a Blog posting instead.

To answer the first question Pfan; I think that Utoo had great points that will probably help my decision, thanks Utoo.
To answer the second one, I do not think you have any kids Pfan (I am not sure)...but for me, having two children....it is extremely hard to think abortion as another "issue", I just can not compare this with economy issues, foreign policy, etc. I just can't.
There are some great comments here, thanks to all.
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