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"I Am A Ukrainian"
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It's a shame that no matter which side wins, there really isn't anything positive in sight. I don't see much light at the end of this tunnel.
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It is an outrage for any government in any country to slaughter their own citizens like fish in a barrel for merely demanding fairness.
Ukraine, Taiwan, Venezuela among others in turmoil with their own governments should be enough for the world to take notice and question these corrupt governments. People do not gather this way for no reason; these governments are now under the world's microscope. These corrupt governments had better think through their actions and open their eyes. Cлава Україна!
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To criticise the Ukrainian government is all well and good, but when you are saying things like 'Cлава Україна' are you at all aware of the nature of much of the protestors? A good portion of them are unapologetic Nazis.
(I have no idea why you mentioned Venezuela here at all, that's a completely different kettle of fish and not at all similar to Ukraine)
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I am very much aware of the story of what is happening in Ukraine. I am a first generation American of parents who defected from Ukraine and all of my relatives outside from my immediate family reside there.
How about you? Anyway... a kettle of fish is a kettle of fish that shouldn't be killed for complaining. No matter where that kettle is located.
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I'm Belarusian, so to some degree the events will be of significant interest to me.
(I'm not exactly sure where you're taking the 'kettle of fish' bit, though, I'm assuming you're referring to what I had said before re: Vza, which is essentially a case of the poor against the wealthy but I don't want to take the subject that why since this thread is about Ukraine)
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There are deeper issues than the generalized "poor against the wealthy" in Venezuela. For example, why was Leopoldo Lopez arrested for murder charges? People there were killed for protesting the government, but of course in a dictatorship that's allowed so charges were dropped.
Just as in Ukraine, people are not allowed the freedom to speak out. Check this out: https://yrj8usi8t5zbg6zcefy4.r.world...ela-en-ingles/
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And if this government constitutes a dictatorship despite winning elections fairly (even a former US president regarded the election process as one of the best in the world), then what does this make the pre-1999 governments? This doesn't even go into the communes prevalent throughout the country. In addition, a dictatorship typically doesn't allow staunchly opposing media to dominate. Quote:
![]() Anyway, this thread is about Ukraine and I hope you don't wish to derail it because neither do I.
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A virtual propaganda war is less deadly, however, even 1 person should not die for protesting.
There is a difference when it comes to the numbers in carnage between Ukraine and Venezuela, but there should be no deaths when it all begins as a peaceful protest. The Ukraine protest has turned into a civil war and the reason for that is clear without propaganda. I stand by my first post, and it is ok for you to disagree that Venezuela should be mentioned up there. ![]()
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Oh yeah, I definitely agree, protest deaths on either side are awful no matter how you look at it.
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Belief in it not happening there seems to be combo of (a) Lukashenko "isn't really that bad/mostly media beat up", (b) no immediate political flashpoints (people have a lot of various low level minor grumbles, but there's no singular rallying major issue), (c) and even if they did, apathy rules in Belarus, (d) economy is much better than Ukraine, and has recovered comparatively well post 2008 crash vs. many neighbouring 'western' economies, standard of living is pretty good, (e) happily identify closely with Russia and don't care for joining the EU for the 'privilege' of being able to collect garbage and clean toilets in London. (f) not the same internal divisions (east/west of the country, wealthy/poor) as Ukraine - and that's the real story there, (g) desperately don't want civil unrest (i.e. consider themselves more civilised than that), (h) and know that if that did happen, bloodbath from Day 1.
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I have no idea what's going on, but I saw some horrific pictures on Twitter yesterday.
I really should spend some more time being thankful for the fact I live in Australia.
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With the current government in power, you never know what might happen, Cobbs.
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I can say with absolutely certainty that nothing remotely close to what is going on in Ukraine will happen here.
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