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Old 04-16-2014, 02:50 PM   #196
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this is either right or wrong

Ukraine crisis could be start of World War III, says Edward Lucas | Mail Online


odds are, that it is wrong.

but, it could be correct,

this is looking like there is no correct or acceptable action by either side, only degrees of risk vs. reward choices
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:59 PM   #197
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They say that about every sort of conflict, don't they? I'm not going to take that writer too seriously as he writes for The Daily Mail.
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:34 PM   #198
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Yeah, there's probably also an article in the Daily Mail about how Kim Kardashian's make-up choices are going to start World War III.
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:20 PM   #199
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Alright, can we stop calling them pro-Russian seperatists, and just Russians forces? It's so painfully obvious...
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So you're saying all of the people protesting the Ukrainian government are Russians? Right.
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:31 PM   #201
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Anyway, the trade union building in Odessa was set on fire, more than 30 people dead, I'm not exactly sure how it came along but supposedly most of the dead were those in opposition to the new government. There's a video of people who seem to be preparing Molotov cocktails in the area and they appear to be supporters of the new government.

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Old 05-02-2014, 07:44 PM   #202
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I'm not talking about the pro-Russian protestors, who by the way have recently begun to show violent tendencies towards their pro-Ukrainian protestor counterparts. I'm talking about the guys with Russian weapons, uniforms, and equipment displaying professionally trained military behavior riding on APC's and shooting down Ukrainian helo's with surface-to-air missiles. They're being directed and equipped by Russian special forces, (There's picture's showing "militia members" in Ukraine who look eerily similar to Russian special forces members that were in Georgia during 2008) and taking their orders from the Kremlin. The idea that these guys are just a bunch of militia members is insane. Almost as insane as Russia's claim that Russian's in Eastern Ukraine are somehow threatened by the new Ukrainian government. They're using it as a pretext to invade. I give it another week before they do.
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It's really quite pointless to point at one side as the 'violent one' and the other as the peaceful, both sides have been involved in violence (the recent building attack as an example).
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It's really quite pointless to point at one side as the 'violent one' and the other as the peaceful, both sides have been involved in violence (the recent building attack as an example).
I agree there's violence on both sides. But in Eastern Ukraine, it seems the violence against those who support Kiev is outweighing the violence coming from them.

In any case, this is not going to end well..
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I've already resigned myself to the fact that this is a civil war in the making.
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Petro Poroshenko wins Ukraine presidency, according to exit polls | World news | The Guardian

Meet the new boss, he looks eerily like the old boss. He's a chocolate tycoon but according to my mother his chocolates taste like crap anyway. After taking a glance at the rest of the candidates (there were 3 fascist candidates at the least!) he seems the most inoffensive of them all.

Tymoshenko only managed 13% or so despite her desperate attempts to remain relevant, and hopefully she'll decide to go away and stop beating a dead horse.
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Petro Poroshenko wins Ukraine presidency, according to exit polls | World news | The Guardian

Meet the new boss, he looks eerily like the old boss. He's a chocolate tycoon but according to my mother his chocolates taste like crap anyway. After taking a glance at the rest of the candidates (there were 3 fascist candidates at the least!) he seems the most inoffensive of them all.

Tymoshenko only managed 13% or so despite her desperate attempts to remain relevant, and hopefully she'll decide to go away and stop beating a dead horse.
So much thunders, such a big tempest, such mediatic revolution and... In the end Ukraine has chosen a man that represents exactly what was supposedly rejected.
Poroshenko was everything: he already was Social-Democratic, already was pseudo-independent, already had governative/executive functions both in the Tymoshenko and Yanukovich's eras.
Most of all, Poroshenko is a multimillionaire, a magnate of the same old ukrainian oligarchies that ukrainians supposedly rejected over the past few months.
Pffffew...
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If it wasn't for the slightly differing hair I would've just assumed they cloned Yanukovych again.

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What a fine fellow.

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Old 06-16-2014, 11:09 PM   #210
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They changed the translation from "them subhumans" to "them inhumans".

Brilliant move.
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