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Old 03-05-2010, 05:47 PM   #91
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Blame America First boilerplate.


no.

Blame Bush First.

neither of those things have anything to do with Real Americans. nor do they have to do with big global problems that many are so quick to locate the source of in the US. as you know, i often take heat from non-Americans because i actually am a fairly consistent defender of many of this countries values and it's culture. i don't suffer anti-Americanism lightly.

but torture and the invasion of Iraq are so contrary to what this country is actually based on, that the only way i can deal with it is to chalk it up to post-9/11 PTSD.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:13 PM   #92
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one was a tragedy, this was a mostly prevented one -- the officers are fine, the gunman is dead -- yet we do learn a lot when white terrorists attack, and in my opinion, it provokes exactly the right response from the right and the left. but when someone's Muslim ... then we randomly invade sovereign nations and torture people.
I read that the white terrorist was clearly diagnosed as a manic depressive. So I don't know what other response we could reasonably expect other than...

he probably shouldn't have guns on him
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He was also a Truther and a pothead.
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I read that the white terrorist was clearly diagnosed as a manic depressive. So I don't know what other response we could reasonably expect other than...

he probably shouldn't have guns on him


agreed, he probably shouldn't have had guns on him. it's not like he was going into a Starbucks or anything.

but had he been Muslim ... what would have been the response?
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agreed, he probably shouldn't have had guns on him. it's not like he was going into a Starbucks or anything.

but had he been Muslim ... what would have been the response?
@ Starbucks.

But to answer your question...the response would be infinitely more media attention.
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it's interesting how rationally we deal with terrorists when they are white, and then how we overreact when they aren't.
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it's interesting how rationally we deal with terrorists when they are white, and then how we overreact when they aren't.
Fear that they are linked to Al-Queda or some such group. I don't think theres ever been a terrorist attack in the United States carried out by a Muslim that wasn't a jihad. But you are right, because they are no more/just as dangerous as any white terrorist, like Timothy McVay, or this guy.
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Fear that they are linked to Al-Queda or some such group. I don't think there's ever been a terrorist attack in the United States carried out by a Muslim that wasn't a jihad.
You got it. Comparing garden-variety whackjobs like Bedell to AQ motivated killers is comparing apples to oranges.

That's why the media hypes Major Hassan and guys like KSM. It's about motivation. And the subject of the day is extremist Jihadism.
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it's interesting how rationally we deal with terrorists when they are white, and then how we overreact when they aren't.
The white ones tend to be citizens and thusly due constitutional protections. Enemy combatants caught in Afghanistan and Nigerian panty-bombers not so much.
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So, constitutional proctections don't apply to foreigners?
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So, constitutional proctections don't apply to foreigners?
I can answer that but you go ahead.
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No, I really want to know what you think. I think they do, but I'd like to know what you think.
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No, I really want to know what you think. I think they do, but I'd like to know what you think.
foreign people aren't people too.
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but torture and the invasion of Iraq are so contrary to what this country is actually based on, that the only way i can deal with it is to chalk it up to post-9/11 PTSD.


In the fullness of time a balanced judgement will be formed, mine at this point is approximately on the same wavelength as yours. It was the mood of the times, not the individual actors, be it Bush, Blair, whatever.

I still get quite angry about the Iraq war if I think about it, but in general, these days, I don't.
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Enemy combatants
Define this term, and where it resides...

You don't like changes to the constitution, so please reconcile this with me.
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