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Old 01-18-2012, 12:08 AM   #31
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The crime statistic is worrying, yeah, so there's not much I can say about that other than crime is prevalent when there are inequalities, so basically, just about everywhere. It is a bit of a problem.

Brainwashing the poor into socialism and against capitalism? I laughed, I would call it awakening class-consciousness. I don't know if I would label it brainwashing since socialism is to bring the workers into power. It's much, much better for them.

As for the housing thing, seems a better solution than the poor being homeless, and it's not as if there aren't housing projects for poor families being built.

I couldn't give any less of a shit about the upper classes leaving the country. In addition, I can't really see Chavez going all power hungry and becoming a raving dictator as from what I've read, but I'm not entirely certain of anything anymore. In regards to Cuba, I can't help but feel that you think that the embargo was actually justified, but they've done well for a somewhat isolated state capitalist nation.
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Allowing three or more homeless strangers to live in your house free of charge because the government says so is not a solution to homelessness.

Would you seriously do it?
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When was this policy of expropriating rooms in occupied private dwellings instituted? Do you have a link?
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CARACAS—Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez signed a new rental law into effect over the weekend that obliges landlords to sell their property to tenants of more than 20 years at state-mandated discounts based on how long the space has been rented.

Mr. Chávez hailed the law as a way of opening housing to the country's poor and extending tenants' rights, but critics see the law as a political ploy to compensate for a struggling state home-building initiative.

Under the law, the state will create a fund to provide loans to tenants interested in buying rented real estate, while landlords, who will have to register all their holdings, face heavy fines for violating the regulations and the possibility of having their property expropriated by the government for repeat offenses. Owners also are forbidden from requesting security deposits from tenants.

"There are urban landlords who own 15, 20 buildings and exploit the people," Mr. Chávez said during the signing ceremony for the law. "Many times they leave the country; they don't even live here, nobody knows them."

Housing is set to be a major issue in next year's presidential elections, and Venezuela's top real-estate association says Mr. Chávez is using the law to provide constituents with housing that his government promised but is struggling to deliver.

"They are completely violating the concept of private property with this law," said Aquiles Martini, president of the Venezuela Real Estate Chamber. "The government has a target for construction in its housing mission, but there's no way they are going to be able to do it so they are using laws like these to meet the deficit," he added.

In February, Mr. Chávez pledged his government would build two million homes for the poor over the next seven years as part of his "Grand Housing Mission Venezuela" project. The government, which set a target of 153,000 homes for 2011, says it has so far this year overseen the construction of 85,000.
Venezuela Forces Sale of Rental Properties - WSJ.com

There's also this article below stating that he's closing down Venezuela's consulate in Miami, mainly because pretty much all the Venezuelan exiles in Miami are against him and he doesn't want them to vote against him in this year's election.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...jwP_story.html
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You wanna try that again? We all make mistakes sometimes.
Aww, a poor victim of the American war propaganda machine.

It's okay, you're right. If it wasn't for the great George W. Bush, then Saddam Hussein would have invaded Israel (a nation incapable of defending itself) with his vast nuclear arsenal. And Iraq may have even attacked the United States again, like it did on 9/11. So the tens of millions of lives killed, injured, or traumatized as a result of your hero, Mr. Bush, were all worth it in the very very long run.
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most evil man in the world? no.

worst president in all of our lifetimes? yes.
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Aww, a poor victim of the American war propaganda machine.

It's okay, you're right. If it wasn't for the great George W. Bush, then Saddam Hussein would have invaded Israel (a nation incapable of defending itself) with his vast nuclear arsenal. And Iraq may have even attacked the United States again, like it did on 9/11. So the tens of millions of lives killed, injured, or traumatized as a result of your hero, Mr. Bush, were all worth it in the very very long run.


You know what? I'm not going to engage. There's no point, and this isn't the place for it. I'll be the better person and let this one go.
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most evil man in the world? no.

worst president in all of our lifetimes? yes.
Most evil man based on the number of lives lost or shattered. Who has hurt more people then him? I can't think of anyone, and do correct me if I'm wrong. But for that reason he definitely deserves the title.
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You know what? I'm not going to engage. There's no point, and this isn't the place for it. I'll be the better person and let this one go.
Sure, well there wouldn't be much truth to say on your part anyway if you did engage.
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Most evil man based on the number of lives lost or shattered. Who has hurt more people then him? I can't think of anyone, and do correct me if I'm wrong. But for that reason he definitely deserves the title.


if you're talking aggregate death, i suppose you have to put Harry Truman right up there, right, historically speaking, in terms of number of human beings wiped out in a matter of seconds?

i think reasons why lives are lost has to count for something, and i don't see the invasion of Iraq -- as hideous, stupid as it was, and if you go through the archives here you'll find no one more opposed than i was from the start -- as insidiously "evil" as mass starvation in North Korea, the junta in Myanmar/Burma, the Lord's Resistance Army, the butchery of the cartels of Juarez, people like Mugabe, Assad, etc.
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You know what? I'm not going to engage. There's no point, and this isn't the place for it. I'll be the better person and let this one go.
I personally don't agree that George Bush is the "most evil man in the world" but on the other hand your Joan-of-Arc/burnt-martyr-of-the-much-maligned-and-misunderstood neo-con spiel is getting old. You got any other records to play?
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Most evil man based on the number of lives lost or shattered. Who has hurt more people then him? I can't think of anyone, and do correct me if I'm wrong. But for that reason he definitely deserves the title.
Do the names Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin ring a bell? And that's just two off the top of my head.

I'm certainly never going to be prasing the Bush administration in my lifetime, but Irvine pretty much summed it up well.
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Do the names Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin ring a bell? And that's just two off the top of my head.

I'm certainly never going to be prasing the Bush administration in my lifetime, but Irvine pretty much summed it up well.
Hitler and Stalin have been dead for decades.

"Most evil man in the world", not "most evil man of all time".
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You know what? I'm not going to engage. There's no point, and this isn't the place for it. I'll be the better person and let this one go.
You can't fix stupid.
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if you're talking aggregate death, i suppose you have to put Harry Truman right up there, right, historically speaking, in terms of number of human beings wiped out in a matter of seconds?

i think reasons why lives are lost has to count for something, and i don't see the invasion of Iraq -- as hideous, stupid as it was, and if you go through the archives here you'll find no one more opposed than i was from the start -- as insidiously "evil" as mass starvation in North Korea, the junta in Myanmar/Burma, the Lord's Resistance Army, the butchery of the cartels of Juarez, people like Mugabe, Assad, etc.
Fair enough. Reason for death matters, I agree. And so I don't include the lives lost in Afghanistan, because ok, we went there to to destroy the group that had attacked us on 9/11. On the other hand, invading a country based on lies in order to steal oil is evil. And so with the number of people murdered, perhaps Bush is not #1 in the world today. But no doubt he is up there in the ranks as one of the most evil people of all time.

Glad to know that you were opposed to the war from the very beginning, as was I. It was so obvious to me, and I couldn't get how it wasn't obvious to the 75% or so of people who supported it.
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