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Old 09-21-2009, 08:49 AM   #16
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:50 AM   #17
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I'm denying that there are people in this country who would never vote for a black person, regardless of Republican or Democrat? News to me.

And if you thought the left used race in 2008 (which, of course, you probably didn't), it'll be even worse in 2012. There will be endless charges of racism and hatred directed at our nominee no matter who he or she is just for trying to defeat the first black president.
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Fail.

Fail as a joke in general.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:57 AM   #19
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I'm denying that there are people in this country who would never vote for a black person, regardless of Republican or Democrat? News to me.
No, you're in denial about how much racism is playing a big role in the tea party movement.

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And if you thought the left used race in 2008 (which, of course, you probably didn't)
You and I have talked about this exstensively in the past, how quickly we forget...
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Fail.

Fail as a joke in general.
Well, you're a little charmer aren't ya?!
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There will be endless charges of racism and hatred directed at our nominee no matter who he or she is just for trying to defeat the first black president.
Don't think so-as long as said nominee, and Republicans in general, do so with class and dignity and on the FACTS and his actual record at that point. Leave the teaparty Photoshops and slogans out of it and they're off to a good start. But as long as they keep up that nonsense and continue to distort the facts and try to scare people into voting for them, it's going to get nasty.
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way too early to predict the GOP nominee


If Patterson is the Dem nominee for N Y Governor in 2010,
good chance Giuliani will beat him.
If NY shows improvement under Giuliani, he could be a serious contender for GOP Presidential candidate, if he can figure out how to win a few primaries.

It seems the Obama people see Giuliani on the radar,
they are urging Patterson not to run.
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if Giuliani wins the GOP nom, do you think he'll pick 9/11 as his running mate? or settle for Palin?
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OOOPS...seems not to be working. Sorry. It was Gerald Celente discussing the rise of a third party. It's on youtube because I just watched it.
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Things could happen between now and then, but it would be a massive upset if Obama doesn't get a second term.
I'm not so sure. I agree that for whatever reason, presidents are more likely than not to get a second term. But if unemployment stays around 10%, the jobs don't come back, the deficit doesn't improve, taxes go up and massive inflation kicks in, I think he'd certainly have an uphill battle.
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Well those are all BIG "ifs".

Neither Beck or Hannity will report this but many economists are saying that the recession is TECHNICALLY over, and that inflation looks to be a non-factor.

Inflation, Income Flat In July, While 'Clunkers' Sparks Spending - Planet Money Blog : NPR

There is no way unemployment will stay where it is...
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exactly. hell, if nothing changed in four years, even i wouldn't vote for obama again. but even with the natural ebb and flow of the economy, SOMETHING will change by then.
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Giuliani ran a terrible campaign, IMO that totally destroyed any hope he had in becoming a viable candidate for the presidency. If Palin decides to run and is able to repair some of her image, Huckabee has no chance to win despite that preliminary poll. I just really hate how he panders to the Evangelical Christian wing and I don't see it as a winning strategy overall. It's a straw poll and too soon. I believe the economy will rebound but it will be sluggish IMO. People are also pointing to "a lost decade" alah Japan's economy which means a crappy stock market, meager growth, crappy emplyoyment numbers. Bye bye easy credit for a long time. I don't think that is enought to bring down Obama but I think it could make the election a lot closer than it was in 2008, depending on the candidate.
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Well those are all BIG "ifs".


There is no way unemployment will stay where it is...
true, it will get worse.

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