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Old 07-06-2010, 02:18 AM   #16
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Didn't Obama campaign they he was going to" bring about The fundenmental transformation of America" and then go on the world" I am soooo sorry tour? "
Yes, he was referring to the politics, the partisan climate, actually addressing the big challenges facing us instead of kicking them down the road.

That should have been clear if you watched him campaign.

He wasn't talking about rewriting our ideals or our Constitution or our values or changing our flag to the UN flag.

In fact, he talked very eloquently about our values.

He never said anything about an I am so Sorrrry Tour.

Again, how is renouncing torture and rebuilding crucial alliances not in keeping with American values and the Constitution.

The former is more abstract, but it is directly in the latter that we do not torture.(treaties being the equivalent of the highest law of the land)
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Didn't Obama campaign they he was going to" bring about The fundenmental transformation of America" and then go on the world" I am soooo sorry tour? "
hoo boy. Here we go.
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The world I am sooo sorry tour was canceled due to his back problem
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Old 07-06-2010, 03:44 PM   #19
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The world I am sooo sorry tour was canceled due to his back problem
Hard to bow with a bad back.
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Hard to bow with a bad back.


you are good at this. that was funny.

i suppose he'll have to just hold hands instead.

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Old 07-07-2010, 07:00 PM   #21
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Indy! I still think you're a good guy. You are certainly much easier to have a discussion with than Strongbow or even some of the liberal people here. But come on.

Has Obama moved the flags from the White House?
No, but he did order to have them removed from his lapel for a time.
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Show me one person of influence in the Democratic Party who has said anything close to some of the crazier things Howard Zinn said.

This is what is wrong with your posts, you take one person, Howard Zinn, who is not anywhere near the views of the Democratic Party- either the platform or individual politicians- and tie his words around every Democrat's neck.
But much of the Democratic voter base shares or sympathizes with the "radical" beliefs of Mr Zinn. It is their political home.

The Marxism and multiculturalism of academia.
The Black theology of Rev Wright and others.
The socialism and misanthropism of environmental extremism.
The anti-militarism of Moveon (Gen Betrayus) and Code Pink.
And the anti-capitalism of Michael Moore, George Soros, far-left blogs and the anti-globalist crowd.
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But much of the Democratic voter base shares or sympathizes with the "radical" beliefs of Mr Zinn. It is their political home.

The Marxism and multiculturalism of academia.
The Black theology of Rev Wright and others.
The socialism and misanthropism of environmental extremism.
The anti-militarism of Moveon (Gen Betrayus) and Code Pink.
And the anti-capitalism of Michael Moore, George Soros, far-left blogs and the anti-globalist crowd.
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No, but he did order to have them removed from his lapel for a time.


But much of the Democratic voter base shares or sympathizes with the "radical" beliefs of Mr Zinn. It is their political home.

The Marxism and multiculturalism of academia.
The Black theology of Rev Wright and others.
The socialism and misanthropism of environmental extremism.
The anti-militarism of Moveon (Gen Betrayus) and Code Pink.
And the anti-capitalism of Michael Moore, George Soros, far-left blogs and the anti-globalist crowd.
I'm not sure about that all of that list (George Soros an anti-capitalist? Is it automatically anti-military to be anti-war? And, frankly, what's wrong with anti-militarism anyway?), but where I'd probably agree with you is that modern day liberalism started off with some good ideas and ended up trying to control people - and that's what gave rise to points 1 and 3.
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But much of the Democratic voter base shares or sympathizes with the "radical" beliefs of Mr Zinn. It is their political home.

The Marxism and multiculturalism of academia.
The Black theology of Rev Wright and others.
The socialism and misanthropism of environmental extremism.
The anti-militarism of Moveon (Gen Betrayus) and Code Pink.
And the anti-capitalism of Michael Moore, George Soros, far-left blogs and the anti-globalist crowd.
Seriously? Look, FYM's pretty left-leaning right? How many liberal FYM posters subscribe to the above?

Marxism? I mean really? Black theology. . .I'm not even sure what that is.

Who is Code Pink?

INDY, you know more about this left-wing stuff than I do and I'm supposed to be the liberal.

I'm sorry but most Democratic voters do NOT fit this picture any more than most Republican voters are members of the Klu Klux Klan.

Gosh, I can't remember the last time you brought a normal argument into this forum. Stick to the one-liners. At least they are funny.
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No, but he did order to have them removed from his lapel for a time.


But much of the Democratic voter base shares or sympathizes with the "radical" beliefs of Mr Zinn. It is their political home.

The Marxism and multiculturalism of academia.
The Black theology of Rev Wright and others.
The socialism and misanthropism of environmental extremism.
The anti-militarism of Moveon (Gen Betrayus) and Code Pink.
And the anti-capitalism of Michael Moore, George Soros, far-left blogs and the anti-globalist crowd.

other than creating boogeymen -- and i have serious doubts as to whether you have any kind of understanding of any of these terms -- what does this list do for us, exactly? you name this amorphous "base," but can you name me any major Democrats who vocally advocate *any* of the above?

i think you'd pity the poor Democratic "base" since they're not nearly as well catered to as the GOP base.
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"I think people are dazzled by Obama's rhetoric, and that people ought to begin to understand that Obama is going to be a mediocre president — which means, in our time, a dangerous president — unless there is some national movement to push him in a better direction."

~Howard Zinn
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"I think people are dazzled by Obama's rhetoric, and that people ought to begin to understand that Obama is going to be a mediocre president — which means, in our time, a dangerous president — unless there is some national movement to push him in a better direction."

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I don't think he meant the tea-party movement.
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Hard to bow with a bad back.

That's ok, he can still get down to kiss their backsides
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Is it automatically anti-military to be anti-war? And, frankly, what's wrong with anti-militarism anyway?),
No, I'm talking about the anti-militarism that fails to recognize that wars are fought for many worthwhile reasons including protection of freedoms and home as well as wars to liberate the oppressed. They see no valid wars. They are the type of liberal that bans military recruiters from college campuses (cough, cough, Elena Kagan, cough).

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but where I'd probably agree with you is that modern day liberalism started off with some good ideas and ended up trying to control people - and that's what gave rise to points 1 and 3.
Classic liberalism died with JFK leading to neoconservatism among other things.
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other than creating boogeymen -- and i have serious doubts as to whether you have any kind of understanding of any of these terms -- what does this list do for us, exactly? you name this amorphous "base," but can you name me any major Democrats who vocally advocate *any* of the above?

i think you'd pity the poor Democratic "base" since they're not nearly as well catered to as the GOP base.
I don't say that these groups make up a large number of actual voters in the Democratic Party. But disproportionately they make up those that donate time and money. They are very vocal consistently tugging the party more leftward. Notice Moveon and Daily Kos notifying Congress they would actively campaign against Democrats that voted no on healthcare.
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