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Old 11-19-2008, 07:32 PM   #76
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Yes, I do think that there was maybe *some* media favouritism toward the Obama side, from *some* of the media. There are several reasons for this, but they don't necessarily imply that the media was out to destroy McCain and elect Obama. It was just a matter of circumstances in some cases, and a combination of poor decisions made by the McCain campaign and good decisions made my the Obama campaign in other cases.

1) For many years, McCain was a media darling. He had a very close and warm relationship with the media, and they were very favourable toward him. He used to hang out with them while campaigning, and speak freely to them all the time, and they loved him for it. During this campaign though, his advisors cut off media access to him, and his interactions with them were much less frequent and more closely monitored and manufactured. In all fairness, from what I've read, McCain didn't like this situation any more than the reporters covering him did, he used to enjoy the free and frequent interactions. But, he did go along with it, so who is to blame? Given all this, I'm sure that certain members of the media and their bosses were miffed.

2) The whole Palin debacle made things considerably worse. She was little known outside of hardcore political junkies and her own constituents. She was introduced to the McCain campaign as a sort of saviour, a fresh-faced rookie who would save his campaign and assure victory. Naturally, in this age of intrusive media, they (and we, the public) wanted to know more about her. The problem was, she wasn't properly vetted, and she had considerable skeletons in her closet. In some cases, bloggers broke stories about her, and the mainstream media followed up. I read things about her on blogs sometimes several days before mainstream media picked it up. Some of it turned out to be nonsense, like the story about her daughter actually having given birth to her youngest son. In all fairness though, MSM dropped that story fairly quickly after it was announced that her daughter was pregnant. Still, other stories they reported on were very valid, and there were lots of them: troopergate, her husband being a former member of the Alaskan Independence Party, questionable actions she had taken as both mayor of Wasilla and as governor of the state, and on and on. Further, once she was firmly in the campaign and began to make media appearances, these were clearly disastrous. And who did the campaign blame the failure of these appearances on? That's right, the media. Way to alienate a profession you need good will from, McCain campaign! This was an extremely stupid stance for them to take.

3) Overall, Obama ran a more positive campaign, hence, there were more positives to report on. Conversely, McCain's was overwhelmingly negative in comparison; negative in tone, and also, just poorly run. Reporters don't generally create negativity, they only report on what's already there, so they can hardly be blamed. Reporting about Obama's negatives was largely out of the way by the time the presidential election was underway - Hillary took care of that during the primaries. As a result, when the McCain campaign attempted to revisit any of those issues, they didn't get much media play because the stories had already run their course. This also had the additional result of making the McCain campaign appear petty and desperate.

4) Finally, it was an historical election, the best chance America has ever had to elect a black president. Things like that play very well with the media, so it stands to reason that they're going to give the candidate more attention - attention that ended up being mostly positive, given the lack of negatives to report about him.
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Yes, I do think that there was maybe *some* media favouritism toward the Obama side, from *some* of the media. .
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Yes, I do think that there was maybe *some* media favouritism toward the Obama side, from *some* of the media. There are several reasons for this, but they don't necessarily imply that the media was out to destroy McCain and elect Obama. It was just a matter of circumstances in some cases, and a combination of poor decisions made by the McCain campaign and good decisions made my the Obama campaign in other cases.

1) For many years, McCain was a media darling. He had a very close and warm relationship with the media, and they were very favourable toward him. He used to hang out with them while campaigning, and speak freely to them all the time, and they loved him for it. During this campaign though, his advisors cut off media access to him, and his interactions with them were much less frequent and more closely monitored and manufactured. In all fairness, from what I've read, McCain didn't like this situation any more than the reporters covering him did, he used to enjoy the free and frequent interactions. But, he did go along with it, so who is to blame? Given all this, I'm sure that certain members of the media and their bosses were miffed.

2) The whole Palin debacle made things considerably worse. She was little known outside of hardcore political junkies and her own constituents. She was introduced to the McCain campaign as a sort of saviour, a fresh-faced rookie who would save his campaign and assure victory. Naturally, in this age of intrusive media, they (and we, the public) wanted to know more about her. The problem was, she wasn't properly vetted, and she had considerable skeletons in her closet. In some cases, bloggers broke stories about her, and the mainstream media followed up. I read things about her on blogs sometimes several days before mainstream media picked it up. Some of it turned out to be nonsense, like the story about her daughter actually having given birth to her youngest son. In all fairness though, MSM dropped that story fairly quickly after it was announced that her daughter was pregnant. Still, other stories they reported on were very valid, and there were lots of them: troopergate, her husband being a former member of the Alaskan Independence Party, questionable actions she had taken as both mayor of Wasilla and as governor of the state, and on and on. Further, once she was firmly in the campaign and began to make media appearances, these were clearly disastrous. And who did the campaign blame the failure of these appearances on? That's right, the media. Way to alienate a profession you need good will from, McCain campaign! This was an extremely stupid stance for them to take.

3) Overall, Obama ran a more positive campaign, hence, there were more positives to report on. Conversely, McCain's was overwhelmingly negative in comparison; negative in tone, and also, just poorly run. Reporters don't generally create negativity, they only report on what's already there, so they can hardly be blamed. Reporting about Obama's negatives was largely out of the way by the time the presidential election was underway - Hillary took care of that during the primaries. As a result, when the McCain campaign attempted to revisit any of those issues, they didn't get much media play because the stories had already run their course. This also had the additional result of making the McCain campaign appear petty and desperate.

4) Finally, it was an historical election, the best chance American has ever had to elect a black president. Things like that play very well with the media, so it stands to reason that they're going to give the candidate more attention - attention that ended up being mostly positive, given the lack of negatives to report about him.

very well said VEEP!
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It boggles the mind that anyone would expect an obvious loaded question such as this to be taken seriously.

I mean, come on people.
Mr. Obama did say that his policies would bankrupt coal-fired power plants. Not sure how much this would effect overall electricity costs, but anyway you can youtube his comments on coal.
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And the 57 States comment was swept under the rug quickly.

YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States
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And the 57 States comment was swept under the rug quickly.

YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States
It was probably swept under the rug because it's very apparent that Obama is a bright guy, I'm certain he's well aware of how many states make up the US. Recalling how many states there are is an example of semantic memory - very easy to make a mistake when one is fatigued, or it could be due to a simple slip of the tongue. In any case, very understandable and attributable. We've all made this type of error.

Contrast that to not being able to state how many houses you have, an example of something that would be recalled via autobiographical memory. This is far more surprising. How many houses you own should be very ingrained for each individual, and so should be very easily recalled. Unless, of course, you have so many that you genuinely don't know (and that brings up a whole other set of issues for someone running for president and attempting to relate himself to the middle class...). Thus, it's far more surprising and less attributable that McCain could not state how many homes he owns, than it is for Obama to momentarily screw up the number of states he's visited.


Diamond, you're really reaching, here. Obama won. Maybe it's time for acceptance, rather than searching for evil plots and crazy theories?
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i applaud obama winning.

i think the country has officially turned a page.

i only wished that the contest was played more on a level playing field.

had not the economy been in the crapper, and our candidate had all of his bearings, it may have been a more interesting contest.



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i applaud obama winning.

i think the country has officially turned a page.

i only wished that the contest was played more on a level playing field.

had not the economy been in the crapper, and our candidate had all of his bearings, it may have been a more interesting contest.



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The playing field started out mostly level. The only thing McCain had against him is his association with the current administration. But then you could also argue that the playing field wasn't level in Obama's favour. Obama had to overcome several things, too: his race, his experience relative to McCain's, and being an unknown entity, relative to McCain. Obama was able to overcome all this. McCain wasn't able to overcome his negatives. In fact, he added to them. Why? Because of the way both candidates conducted themselves and their campaigns. Obama did well. McCain didn't.

It really is as simple as that.
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[QUOTE=VintagePunk;5618624]The playing field started out mostly level.QUOTE]

obama is gifted above mccain certainly-i will give you that.

from your paradigm-the field was level, however not from hillary's or mine.

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obama is gifted above mccain certainly-i will give you that.

from your paradigm-the field was level, however not from hillary's or mine.

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Not exactly. From my paradigm, it could also be said that Obama was at a disadvantage in the beginning.

But maybe you could explain how it seems different to you and Hillary?
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