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Old 02-20-2011, 04:26 PM   #31
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Only Singapore and Hong Kong have worse income inequality than the U.S.?
Is it possible to have static income between the classes? I doubt it.
So, why are people comfortable with income flowing up, and any taxation of the rich is "class warfare" and the government playing Robin Hood and redistributing wealth?
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this isn't enough for me to lose faith in the GOP just yet...
Exactly. This whole thing is just a conspiracy against conservatives by the mainstream media, guys. When will you figure it out?
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Exactly. This whole thing is just a conspiracy against conservatives by the mainstream media, guys. When will you figure it out?
It's amazing that the average Joe making 45k/yr, drinkin' Bud Light, and ownin' lotsa guns keeps going back to the GOP, somehow tricked into believing it's the party that fights for the little guy.
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It's amazing that the average Joe making 45k/yr, drinkin' Bud Light, and ownin' lotsa guns keeps going back to the GOP, somehow tricked into believing it's the party that fights for the little guy.
Ugh, YES. This. Totally.

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Old 02-20-2011, 06:58 PM   #35
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It's amazing that the average Joe making 45k/yr, drinkin' Bud Light, and ownin' lotsa guns keeps going back to the GOP, somehow tricked into believing it's the party that fights for the little guy.
This was a brilliant campaign that began decades ago. And it's been wildly successful. All because republican strategists knew one TRUTH that everyone knows to be true, but no one dare say it out loud: that American voters, by and large, are stupid... and incredibly vulnerable to manipulation.

You should read "What's the Matter with Kansas." It's a book all about how this happened. A snippet:

Not long ago, Kansas would have responded to the current situation by making the bastards pay...When business screwed the farmers and the workers - when it implemented monopoly strategies invasive beyond the Populists' furthest imaginings -- when it ripped off shareholders and casually tossed thousands out of work -- you could be damned sure about what would follow.

Not these days. Out here the gravity of discontent pulls in only one direction: to the right, to the right, further to the right. Strip today's Kansans of their job security, and they head out to become registered Republicans. Push them off their land, and next thing you know they're protesting in front of abortion clinics. Squander their life savings on manicures for the CEO, and there's a good chance they'll join the John Birch Society. But ask them about the remedies their ancestors proposed (unions, antitrust, public ownership), and you might as well be referring to the days when knighthood was in flower.
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It's amazing that the average Joe making 45k/yr, drinkin' Bud Light, and ownin' lotsa guns keeps going back to the GOP, somehow tricked into believing it's the party that fights for the little guy.
Because the GOP cuts programs for the middle and lower classes for JESUS! Those liberal elites wouldn't know about JESUS.
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Only Singapore and Hong Kong have worse income inequality than the U.S.?
And Singapore and Hong Kong are wealthy countries.
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Old 02-20-2011, 09:50 PM   #38
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Because the GOP cuts programs for the middle and lower classes for JESUS! Those liberal elites wouldn't know about JESUS.
With current GOP policy it's pretty funny (tragic), because they essentially endorse poverty-stricken couples having to keep an unwanted pregnancy, but then once that baby is born that family should UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES get government handouts, and in fact the parents are living off the system and it's their own fault for using their freedom of choice to have sex and risk an unwanted pregnancy.
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I'm sorry to say it will only get worse for the poor once the hyperinflation kicks in. There are some troubled times ahead.

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one TRUTH that everyone knows to be true, but no one dare say it out loud: that American voters, by and large, are stupid... and incredibly vulnerable to manipulation.

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This is virtually impossible to say without sounding terribly arrogant, which is why no one ever says it.

But I think it's really true.

Perhaps it's fairer--and kinder--to say that more often than not human beings don't make decisions in a completely rational way. The right has tapped into the fears of a good segment of this country and that fears overwhelms any rational analysis of the issues. In fairness, if we felt our backs were against the wall and had our media sources constantly stoking that feeling, whose to say we wouldn't respond irrationally as well?
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This is virtually impossible to say without sounding terribly arrogant, which is why no one ever says it.
Q1: Why do conservatives like certain Fox News programming?

Q2: Why do liberals like certain MSNBC programming?



A: Because it's easier to have someone lay out an opinion for you, or to validate your preexisting opinion, than it is to do the independent research yourself and come to a decision on your own. People have limited time, and for many the lure of a quick and agreeable validation of their ingrained beliefs is preferable to the alternative.

This is mainly why I feel 0626622481802262's constant tit-for-tat combat with the lefties of this forum entertaining. Because at the end of the day, everyone's just validating his own opinion and it doesn't mean shit.
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This is virtually impossible to say without sounding terribly arrogant, which is why no one ever says it.

But I think it's really true.

Perhaps it's fairer--and kinder--to say that more often than not human beings don't make decisions in a completely rational way. The right has tapped into the fears of a good segment of this country and that fears overwhelms any rational analysis of the issues. In fairness, if we felt our backs were against the wall and had our media sources constantly stoking that feeling, whose to say we wouldn't respond irrationally as well?
I think this is a much more apt way of putting it . That, and desperate times lead to desperate moves.

Like I said, in some ways I feel bad for these people, they're being led and manipulated and it really sucks. And the people doing it SHOULD feel ashamed. But of course, they don't.

But at the same time, I wonder how many more times they can stand being burned, too.

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A: Because it's easier to have someone lay out an opinion for you, or to validate your preexisting opinion, than it is to do the independent research yourself and come to a decision on your own. People have limited time, and for many the lure of a quick and agreeable validation of their ingrained beliefs is preferable to the alternative.
People like sports, like music, like television, like movies ... people don't really like politics. They don't like to think about it or research it beyond hearing what's being thrown back and forth in the media.
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People like sports, like music, like television, like movies ... people don't really like politics. They don't like to think about it or research it beyond hearing what's being thrown back and forth in the media.
Well, I'd say that those examples you gave are leisure activities, and people will usually block off time for leisure to maintain their sanity. You would probably look at a guy at work funny if he told you he was going home to watch 2 hours of C-SPAN and then post on his favourite political message boards.
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But politics doesn't seem directly connected enough to fall under the necessities category either, for the vast majority of people. It's not a chore. It kind of falls into that in between where it doesn't seem necessary like going to the grocery store, and it isn't as fun/relaxing as kicking back and watching a game.
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