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Old 05-26-2010, 11:26 AM   #1
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Despite Protests, Mosque Plan Near 9/11 Site Wins Key Vote
Controversial Mosque Plan Could be Thwarted By Landmarks Commission
By RAY SANCHEZ

May 26, 2010—

Opponents called it an "insult," "demeaning" and a "house of evil," but the angry protests did not stop an advisory board from approving plans to build a mosque and Islamic center two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center.

In a heated, four hour meeting Tuesday night, Community Board 1, which represents the area of lower Manhattan that includes Ground Zero, voted 29-1 in favor of the proposal. There were 10 abstentions. At the raucous meeting, some relatives carried signs with the faces of 9/11 victims, reflecting still-raw emotions nearly a decade after the terrorist attacks. "This is an insult," said one of the more than 150 people at the meeting. "This is demeaning. This is humiliating that you would build a shrine to the very ideology that inspired the attacks on 9/11."

Angrily pointing a finger at board members, another protester said: "This house of evil will be the birthplace of the next terrorist event."

But Community Board 1 member Rob Townley called the plan a "seed of peace," a message repeated by mosque supporters throughout the night.

"We believe that this is a significant step in the Muslim community to counteract the hate and fanaticism in the minority of the community," he said.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the mosque proposal, said he understood the pain and outrage, especially since Muslims also died in the attacks. "We have condemned the actions of 9/11," Abdul Rauf said. "We have condemned terrorism." Still, plans to build a mosque and Islamic community center could be thwarted by the New York City's Landmarks Commission, which will hold a hearing on the matter in the early summer.

The proposal to build an Islamic center and mosque just blocks from the city's most hallowed ground has divided survivors of the nearly 3,000 people who perished on Sept. 11, 2001, with many families vehemently opposed to plan.

Many have complained that it would be insensitive to have a huge mosque two blocks from the site that became the burial ground for victims of the 9/11 terror attack by Muslim militants of Al Qaeda.

Elisabeth de Bourbon, a spokeswoman for the Landmarks Preservation Commission, said a hearing is scheduled to determine the historic status of the building that is currently on the site. The building, constructed between 1857 and 1858 in the Italian Renaissance palazzo style, could be historically significant.

If the old Burlington Coat Factory building at 45 Park Place is determined to have landmark status, that designation would mean the building cannot be torn down to make way for the Islamic cultural center.

The Landmarks Commission has had a pending application for landmark status for the site since 1989, de Bourbon said. The application had been on hold for more than two decades but was recently reinstated after a review by the commission.

She insisted the current review is unrelated to the controversy surrounding the proposed mosque and Islamic center.

"This is a totally separate issue," de Bourbon told ABCNews.com. "What we're looking at it is whether the building has the architectural and historic significance to the city of New York to merit landmark designation."

The commission will hold a hearing and vote on the landmarks status in the early summer.

Members of the landmarks commission are appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has supported the project. "Anybody wants to build a house of worship in this city, we'd love to do it," Bloomberg told reporters last week. "They have to comply with the zoning laws. In this case, I think the community board's already been consulted and they overwhelmingly like the idea."

Community Board 1's 12-member Financial District committee unanimously voted in favor of the plan earlier this month.

Mosque Near 9/11 Would Be Known as Cordoba House

Noah Pfefferblit, Community Board 1's district manager, said the board voted on a resolution in favor of the plan's community center without taking a position on the mosque.

"Most of the resolutions are approved but this is an unusual one because it's been very controversial," he said. "Our members would not be comfortable recommending or not recommending a house of worship."

The mosque is only one component of the Islamic center complex, which also includes a swimming pool, performance space and a basketball court. The center is the brainchild of Abdul Rauf, a New York imam, and Daisy Khan, executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement. The couple hopes to raise the estimated $100 million to raze the building at 45 Park Place to make room for the multi-story glass-and-steel structure two blocks from ground zero. The Islamic center would be known as Cordoba House and include a mosque for up to 1,500 worshippers on Fridays. Some 500 people already use the site of the old Burlington Coat Factory for Friday prayers.
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The very people making a fuss are ironically likely to be the ones who would only add fuel to the fire. Don't make a big deal of it and there likely won't be one at all.

Not everyone who is Islamic was responsible for that attack. Not everyone who is Islamic supported that attack. If a group of Christians had attacked us on 9/11 and then a Christian church popped up nearby, would there be a similar outcry?

Will some use/see that as a taunt? Yes. But focus on interacting with the people who want to use it as a means to peace, and drown those idiots out.

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Once again, they only love the Constitution when it gives THEIR religion freedom.
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Oh boy...some people just don't get it...
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Even here in the Netherlands these conservative idiots led by Geert Wilders are making a fuss about that.
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The very people making a fuss are ironically likely to be the ones who would only add fuel to the fire. Don't make a big deal of it and there likely won't be one at all.

Not everyone who is Islamic was responsible for that attack. Not everyone who is Islamic supported that attack. If a group of Christians had attacked us on 9/11 and then a Christian church popped up nearby, would there be a similar outcry?

Will some use/see that as a taunt? Yes. But focus on interacting with the people who want to use it as a means to peace, and drown those idiots out.

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That was very well said.
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As someone who lives in NYC, who knew people who lost loved ones, and who's brother-in-law was part of the WTC clean-up, I do find the mosque to be insensitive. I know a lot of people who do not support this mosque who are not conservative or even religious, and they also find it to be insensitive. Why couldn't they build a mosque somewhere else and not so close to the site?

Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism, and yes, some Muslims did die in the attacks. I don't know, I just find the whole thing to be insensitive. Maybe because when I was in college, I noticed quite a lot of the Muslims there didn't seem to care about the 9/11 attacks. Heck, the local paper did a story on my school's Muslim group and many of those interviewed were all about jihad, believed the U.S. got what it deserved. Later they said the article took what they said out of context, whatever that means.
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Do you lump all christians into the category of the Westboro "god hates fags" group?

So why lump this mosque in with Bin Laden?
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As someone who lives in NYC, who knew people who lost loved ones, and who's brother-in-law was part of the WTC clean-up, I do find the mosque to be insensitive. I know a lot of people who do not support this mosque who are not conservative or even religious, and they also find it to be insensitive. Why couldn't they build a mosque somewhere else and not so close to the site?
Where else would you propose they put it? I'm sure there's some people in New York City who would go to the extreme of not wanting Muslim-related stuff in the city at all. Anywhere it is in the city, some people will still see it as an affront regardless. I understand in a way why some people are bothered by this, see it as a painful reminder-it's certainly easy for me to have the view I do, having not been there that day or lived there (and you're right, of course, not everyone who's opposed is conservative or religious-it's merely a knee-jerk emotional reaction), but at the same time, if you let fear and anger rule the day, doesn't that feed into what the terrorists were hoping for? You're New Yorkers. You're not afraid. You're tough. Right?

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Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism, and yes, some Muslims did die in the attacks. I don't know, I just find the whole thing to be insensitive. Maybe because when I was in college, I noticed quite a lot of the Muslims there didn't seem to care about the 9/11 attacks. Heck, the local paper did a story on my school's Muslim group and many of those interviewed were all about jihad, believed the U.S. got what it deserved. Later they said the article took what they said out of context, whatever that means.
Yeesh. Yeah, unfortunately there will always be assholes out there who apparently weren't equipped with thought filters or compassion or humanity. That really sucks that you had to hear that sort of crap (presuming they weren't taken out of context), and I'm sorry about that. But they'll still have those views with or without a mosque, and I just think it'd show more defiance and bravery to not give in to their mindset. Plus, if the mosque stands, then you may start to see more of the good-hearted Muslims come out of the woodwork. If they don't feel any hostility from people, they'll feel more comfortable and people can start seeing the better side of the Muslim faith.

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Do you lump all christians into the category of the Westboro "god hates fags" group?

So why lump this mosque in with Bin Laden?
Where did I say that? Did I not say that not all Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism?

Moonlit_Angel: I would say the mosque is a painful reminder, that's likely the reason why I find it insensitive. No, I have nothing against anything related to Islam being in NYC.

As for New Yorkers being tough, yes we are. But we don't forget what hurts us. I've seen poll after poll of people being asked if they are against the mosque, and half say yes.
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Moonlit_Angel: I would say the mosque is a painful reminder, that's likely the reason why I find it insensitive. No, I have nothing against anything related to Islam being in NYC.
I know you don't, but I can just see some deeply anti-Muslim people in New York City who would support that. And if it's a painful reminder close to the site, it'll be one from farther away, too. Focus on the peaceful possibilities and the pain may turn into something good.

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As for New Yorkers being tough, yes we are. But we don't forget what hurts us. I've seen poll after poll of people being asked if they are against the mosque, and half say yes.
Well, I don't know what to say about that, other than what are those people going to do if the mosque is built there? If it winds up there they're going to have to find a way to work out their issues with it.

Of course you'll never forget that day. I don't expect anyone would, or could, nor should they. But there's ways of dealing with the hurt, and I don't see how carrying around a grudge is a good or healthy way.

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Where did I say that? Did I not say that not all Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism?
Yes, but my point is that a Mosque should not remind you of Bin Laden and those that hijack the plane at all.

Just like a Christian church shouldn't remind you of the Westboro family and their ilk.
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Yes, but my point is that a Mosque should not remind you of Bin Laden and those that hijack the plane at all.
Why not?
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Why not?
Is a McDonald's in El Salvador offensive?
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