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Old 08-17-2010, 03:08 PM   #106
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Right?

The Tea Party supposedly was formed because they were sick of bloated, ineffective government. And yet they jump behind causes like this instead of, you know, actually getting things done.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:24 PM   #107
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My feeling towards this is that it is completly legal for them to build a mosque. But even though those trying to build it have good intentions, it's still insensitive. A catholic convent moved their site away from Auchswitz, I don't see why they can't do the same. It's not that everyone who goes to a mosque enjoyed watching the world trade center come down. But those who did bring the towers down do (well, did) attend a mosque, and used their extremely distored views of Islam as their justification. If they really want to build it there then they can, but I and many others won't approve. And it's simply not going to help their image. I've read about the Imam leading this project, and despite the fact that he wants the mosque built there I really like this guy, and I am interested in reading his book. I wish people, non-muslims and muslims alike could hear what he has to say. But they're probably not if he just becomes written off as "the-guy-who-built-the-mosque next-to-ground-zero."
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:29 PM   #108
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i know, right? compound sentences = "incoherent" presidency.
Just talking about the specific cultural center (it's supposed to be that and not a mosque)-how can it be a compound sentence when he said those two things on two separate occasions?

I think if you have two minds on a subject when you're a politician you're going to be called a flip flopper, incoherent, blowing with the political winds-whatever you want to call it.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:30 PM   #109
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'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Helped FBI With Counterterrorism Efforts

"Not that the imam has been without controversy. The most famous quote circulated by critics came when he talked to the Australian press in March 2004.

"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians," he said. "But it was Christians in World War II who bombed innocent civilians in Dresden and dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."

Then there is the interview he gave to CBS's "60 Minutes" shortly after the 9/11 attacks occurred. "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened," he said by way of explaining the attacks. "But the United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

More often than not, he's pushed his audience to grapple with uncomfortable analogies in his efforts to contextualize Islamic radicalism, such as when he argued that the Ku Klux Klan was, likewise, drawn from a form of extreme religiosity.

Those statements, in the end, were not enough to convince the Bush administration that he was a militant. Feisal Abdul Rauf was dispatched on speaking tours by the past State Department on multiple occasions to help promote tolerance and religious diversity in the Arab and Muslim world. In 2007, he went to Morocco, the UAE, Qatar and Egypt on such missions, a State Department official confirmed to the Huffington Post.

In February 2006, meanwhile, he took part in a U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar with Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes, a close adviser to President Bush. Months later, Feisal Abdul Rauf wrote favorably about his meeting with Hughes, noting that he wanted to further the discussion with other members of the administration."
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:32 PM   #110
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A catholic convent moved their site away from Auchswitz, I don't see why they can't do the same.

Auschwitz is in the middle of a field in rural Poland; this is lower Manhattan. there are already several mosques in lower Manhattan.



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If they really want to build it there then they can, but I and many others won't approve.

how far away would be far enough away for you? be specific. Canal Street? Union Square? Central Park South?
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:02 PM   #111
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And I with Pearl.
Diemen, did you see my response to your questions? I said while I think a mosque should go up due to the fact there were Muslims who were killed on 9/11, I still feel uneasy. That is because of who might be funding the mosque - fanatical Saudis, who have been building mosques all over the world.

Is that what you are referring to?
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i worry whenever anyone puts up a Catholic Church because i fear that it might be used to rape children. we shouldn't put Catholic Churches anywhere near a school, after what happened. it's too painful for the people who were raped.

does that seem reasonable?
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:20 PM   #113
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i worry whenever anyone puts up a Catholic Church because i fear that it might be used to rape children. we shouldn't put Catholic Churches anywhere near a school, after what happened. it's too painful for the people who were raped.

does that seem reasonable?
Are you talking to me?

Because if you are, I don't think you read my post.
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:22 PM   #114
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Are you talking to me?

Because if you are, I don't think you read my post.
I think he read it just fine.
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:24 PM   #115
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I don't think he did. Because he would've noticed this:

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I think a mosque should go up due to the fact there were Muslims who were killed on 9/11, I still feel uneasy. That is because of who might be funding the mosque - fanatical Saudis, who have been building mosques all over the world.
I don't see how comparing what I said to building Catholic Churches near schools make any sense.
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:26 PM   #116
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I don't think he did. Because he would've noticed this:

I don't see how comparing what I said to building Catholic Churches near schools make any sense.
So what is the difference about feeling "uneasy" about what you're referring to and feeling "uneasy" about building a Catholic Church near an elementary school given the sexual abuse scandals?
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Because it is well known that Saudi Arabia is building mosques all over the world, and these mosques follow Wahhabism - the intolerant, pro-terrorism form of Islam. I just wonder if Saudi Arabia is behind this mosque, would it be preaching intolerance and terrorism not too far away from where those very actions took place?
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Because it is well known that Saudi Arabia is building mosques all over the world, and these mosques follow Wahhabism - the intolerant, pro-terrorism form of Islam. I just wonder if Saudi Arabia is behind this mosque, would it be preaching intolerance and terrorism not too far away from where those very actions took place?
You didn't really answer my question. Would it seem unreasonable, just like you, to "wonder" if the priest at the church near your son/daughter's school is a pedophile and may harm your child? Because it is "well known" that there were many, many people involved in those sexual abuse cases.
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I did answer your question. I explained to you why I was uneasy about this mosque.

And earlier in this thread, I did say I did not believe all Muslims are terrorists.
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I did answer your question. I explained to you why I was uneasy about this mosque.

And earlier in this thread, I did say I did not believe all Muslims are terrorists.
But would you, as a Catholic, accept people being uneasy about a Church being built near their child's school, as you are uneasy about the Islamic community centre being built near Ground Zero.
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