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Old 08-25-2010, 09:11 PM   #181
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I confess that I didn't read the article you posted: the first few sentences told me everything I needed to know:

When a writer throws around inflammatory phrases, you simply cannot take what they say seriously. This is not an unbiased, well-reasoned argument:

"the elite mainstream media and the radical 1960s left, who together have formed an arrogant, chauvinistic machine,

. . . the liberal/left media and academic bubble"

I'd much rather hear your opinions than that of this author because at least you're not insulting those who disagree with you. You're at least cognizant of different perspectives than your own.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:15 PM   #182
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So you're saying I should be against all mosques?
You should encourage the following of money trails for ALL mosque given your logic.

Be against the mosque not the location, if you truly find out that the mosque will preach terrorism then be against that, not where it's going to be placed.

Just be consistent, and don't let such shitty "articles" speak for you.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:16 PM   #183
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First of all it was not Muslims, Wahhabis, Sharia Law followers, Afghans or Saudis that participated on 911
it was al-Qa'ida adherents
It seems reasonable that Al Qaeda adherents are usually Muslims who support Sharia Law.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:17 PM   #184
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Is it not a community centre, with a number of different functions, one of which will be a mosque?

More to the point, if this facility were to be built in Queens, for example, would you be "uneasy" about it given the fact that it is "well known" that Saudi Arabia funds many Wahhabist mosques around the world? I haven't read any complaints from you about these mosques prior to this current debate.

In real estate it's location, location, location. But in this case, why should location matter?
Any mosque that is funded by Saudi Arabia makes me uneasy. Whether its downtown New York or downtown Appleton, Wisconsin.

Don't you feel that its not a good idea to build a mosque that might be radical not far from where radicalism Islam reached its pinnacle?
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Don't you feel that its not a good idea to build a mosque that might be radical not far from where radicalism Islam reached its pinnacle?
Don't you feel that it's not a good idea to build a mosque that would be radical?

What makes me uneasy is the "might" and the fact that you are so obsessed with the location.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:28 PM   #186
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Pearl:

I confess that I didn't read the article you posted: the first few sentences told me everything I needed to know:

When a writer throws around inflammatory phrases, you simply cannot take what they say seriously. This is not an unbiased, well-reasoned argument:

"the elite mainstream media and the radical 1960s left, who together have formed an arrogant, chauvinistic machine,

. . . the liberal/left media and academic bubble"

I'd much rather hear your opinions than that of this author because at least you're not insulting those who disagree with you. You're at least cognizant of different perspectives than your own.
I found the article on my iGoogle webpage. It gives random links to the news of the day, regardless of right or left position. I never read or even heard of this author before. I just was curious about what the headline meant by "stealth jihad."

Maybe I overreacted when I read the article. I certainly let it get the worst of me in terms of my fears radical Islam. I have heard about Imam Rauf not being the moderate he claims to be, and I have to admit the name "Cordoba House" is suspicious.

I don't mean to insult anyone with my opinions of this issue, I just want to voice them because I feel I have a right to.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:30 PM   #187
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Don't you feel that its not a good idea to build a mosque that might be radical not far from where radicalism Islam reached its pinnacle?
Right now all we're using is hearsay and conjecture. Until I see concrete proof that the building of this centre is anything other than to build something for the community, then they should have a right to build it.

Furthermore, with the scrutiny this centre will be under, why would anyone use it to preach radicalism and recruit terrorists? There's no way they could get away with that at the proposed location.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:31 PM   #188
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Don't you feel that it's not a good idea to build a mosque that would be radical?

What makes me uneasy is the "might" and the fact that you are so obsessed with the location.
A lot of New Yorkers are. I don't think "obsessed" is a good term to use. People were murdered at that location. As I said in the beginning of this thread, I knew people who lost loved ones, my brother-in-law was part of the clean-up. So its not just any ordinary spot in the world.
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Any mosque that is funded by Saudi Arabia makes me uneasy. Whether its downtown New York or downtown Appleton, Wisconsin.

Don't you feel that its not a good idea to build a mosque that might be radical not far from where radicalism Islam reached its pinnacle?
this sounds like an argument that's impossible to defeat though, don't you think?

Have the people planning the mosque indicated that will be preaching radical Islam? Is all this talk about it being a place for learning and dialogue and all that stuff lies, in your estimation? Is the idea that the mosque builders will pretend to be all peaceful and then once the mosque is built start spewing taunts and hatred? Does that really seem like a plausible scenario in your opinion?

Generally the radical groups are pretty upfront about and in your face about their views (unless of course they are hiding their affiliation in order to launch a terrorist attack, but I don't think you are suggesting that the mosque is in fact a cover for a massive terrorist strike are you?).
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:33 PM   #190
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Furthermore, with the scrutiny this centre will be under, why would anyone use it to preach radicalism and recruit terrorists? There's no way they could get away with that at the proposed location.
Perhaps not.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:35 PM   #191
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Generally the radical groups are pretty upfront about and in your face about their views (unless of course they are hiding their affiliation in order to launch a terrorist attack, but I don't think you are suggesting that the mosque is in fact a cover for a massive terrorist strike are you?).
No, I'm not.
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I don't mean to insult anyone with my opinions of this issue, I just want to voice them because I feel I have a right to.
You're not insulting anyone.

I appreciate your tone in this discussion.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:38 PM   #193
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I don't know. . .the whole argument that he's only "pretending to moderate" just doesn't fit with my impressions of the radicals I've heard about. What would be the purpose in pretending to be moderate? How does that further the goals of jihad?
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:43 PM   #194
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You're not insulting anyone.

I appreciate your tone in this discussion.
Thank you

And thanks to everyone else for putting everything in perspective. Perhaps I let my emotions and the memories of that terrible day get the worst of me. Maybe I should have an "I'm Sorry" thread like Aeon did.
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A lot of New Yorkers are. I don't think "obsessed" is a good term to use. People were murdered at that location. As I said in the beginning of this thread, I knew people who lost loved ones, my brother-in-law was part of the clean-up. So its not just any ordinary spot in the world.
Many of us lost someone, I did too.

But were they murdered by all that worship in a Mosque or Musilm community center?

Because that's what you're implying.
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