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Old 11-08-2010, 05:16 PM   #46
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At eight, who is more likely to feature a range of opinions and arguments- O'Reilly or Olbermann? Same at ten- Greta or Larry "I am a socialist" O'Donnell?
O'Reilly deliberately puts the most extreme left wing types on his show to knock them down. He will find some obscure law professor who has written a book defending Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein or whatever and then bring this information out so he can turn around and tell his audience "see -these liberals are crazy!" Effectively these people serve as useful idiots for the Fox agenda. He generally cops out of debating with well-informed, non-insane liberals.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:19 PM   #47
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Their election night was anchored by 6 known liberals (at least one of which is a self-described socialist) ?
If it is true about the socialist, that reflects well on the channel, not badly as you seem to think. The US corporate media in general allows only an extremely narrow range of voices to be heard. It usually censors out dissenting voices, except to knock them down, a favoured trick of O'Reilly's as I already mentioned. (Virtually all the US corporate media is blatantly and overwhelmingly biased towards Israel, for example). The reality is that millions of Americans would actually vote socialist if there were credible socialist candidates running, particularly in the current environment (not that I personally agree with them).
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financeguy, I think your statements on only a narrow range of opinions being voiced is reflective of the two party system, for better or for worse. Mostly worse. The fact is that the two major parties in the US have legislated out any other viewpoints from being largely heard. Ross Perot was such a gigantic anomaly, and I don't see it happening again soon.

I don't think the US will see the degree of political change that groups such as the Tea Party (or folks in Vermont) want to see until there are more than two directions to drive the car in, to use the metaphor of the day.

I'm not really trying to push a multiparty system as being perfect, because it's hardly that. The real change would come from extensive campaign finance reform, but thanks to the Citizens United decision and the lobbying culture in Washington that seems like a faraway dream.
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Old 11-08-2010, 06:58 PM   #49
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I was thinking that a thread where people could list and make the case for honest media outlets/honest reporters that they know and follow would be helpful.
I don't doubt that it will devolve into something contentious, but it's worth a try.
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:29 PM   #50
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Seems like some reasonable articles.

However, news sources loose a little credibility with me when they have a misspelling on the front page (Ron Paul's Welfare Wtate State).
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However, news sources loose a little credibility with me when they have a misspelling
Oh, the irony!

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Old 11-09-2010, 02:25 PM   #53
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Oh, the irony!

Thank you.

I am not, nor have I ever been a credible news source.
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I'd love to provide examples, unless you want to rethink that one, which I highly suggest you do.
Please do. I'd like to see them.
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Please do. I'd like to see them.
Some of my favorites:

November 2009: In a segment on Sarah Palin, Dylan Ratigan uses multiple clearly-photoshopped pictures of her, including the one of her in a bikini holding a rifle, passing them off as completely real.

January 2010: Keith Olbermann lies saying O'Reilly hasn't dedicated even one segment to Haiti, when in fact he had featured multiple correspondents and relatives of people in Haiti.

January 2010: Olbermann lies saying that the beating of Kenneth Gladney by SEIU members is not real, despite videotape and multiple arrests proving the contrary.

January 2010: Olbermann calls Scott Brown an "irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees." As fun as it was to watch the veins in Keith's head, I'm pretty sure very few of those things are true.

November 2010: Dylan Ratigan and a guest talk about the potential need for a violent revolution. While not a "lie", I suppose, it seems to be a lie whenever some other MSNBC personality gets outraged for a conservative bringing up that notion yet having no problem when it comes from one of their own.

November 2010: Rachel Maddow criticizes Fox News for the fact that Sean Hannity was the keynote speaker at at least one Republican fundraiser, while not mentioning at all the fact that Ed Schultz has been the keynote speaker at multiple Democratic fundraisers. Dishonest.

I forget exactly when this was, but how about all the completely untrue quotes attributed to Rush Limbaugh when he was trying to buy an NFL team? Not a single video or transcript was provided, but MSNBC and others ran with the quotes as fact.

October 2010: Rachel Maddow lies saying that a Republican member of Congress got advanced notice that the Oklahoma City bombing was going to happen. When called out on it, she "apologized" in her typical sarcastic manner, seeming to mock the people who corrected her, apparently oblivious to the fact that there are some people who might get a little upset over the slight error of confusing "before the bombing" and "after the bombing."

November 2010: Olbermann lies saying that FNC's Brian Kilmeade said that "all Muslims are terrorists" when in fact he said no such thing. I'll let the videotape speak for itself.

YouTube - Watch: Keith Olbermann Smears Brian Kilmeade with a Lie!

And finally, one of my favorite displays of downright stupidity. On Hardball, Chris Matthews played a clip of Alaska's Joe Miller being interviewed via satellite by someone in New York. Any intelligent person would realize that there would be a slight delay in the communication between the two people. In the clip Matthews played, Miller was asked if he thought Sarah Palin was qualified to be President. As a result of the delay, it appeared Miller took a second or two before responding- as he did for every single question he was asked. Yet after playing the clip, Matthews said something along the lines of "What was with that awkward pause? It's like he didn't know how he should answer the question!" That's just pathetic. That's as straight-up dishonest as it gets. For someone who has been in television for years and done thousands of interviews, he knows damn well that it was a delay, yet he tried to pass it off as something that it clearly wasn't.

All this from the network where Olbermann has said "I have never knowingly reported anything false and we correct our mistakes," and Larry O'Donnell says "You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts."
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I think why our news networks are collectively sliding in the direction of becoming mere propaganda mouthpieces, and why we passively accept it, is a far more interesting and urgent question than which one told 756 lies last year as opposed to 624.
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As has been said so eloquently in the past few days by both Maher and Maddow, a lot of people like to say, 'oh, Fox, MSNBC, they're all the same', but it's not true. It's just not.

It's not true, because in 2006, MSNBC didn't start giving (then) past/future presidential candidates - Obama, Edwards, Clinton, etc - their own shows, the way Fox has given Huckabee, Palin, etc their own shows between 2008 and now.

It's not true, because MSNBC, to my knowledge, has never given a Democratic political operative as powerful and influential as Karl Rove is a Republican political operative, a job. Fox has. Fox is an arm of the Republican party. MSNBC, while obviously liberal, is not an arm of the Democratic party.

It's not true, because while MSNBC the network might try to pretend it's balanced like Fox does, its liberal primetime hosts - Olbermann, Maddow, O'Donnell - never pretend to be anything but the liberals they are, whereas Fox's hosts - O'Reilly, Hannity, etc - have always maintained the "Fair and Balanced" mantra.

And it's not true because people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh(I know, he's not on Fox) spend an inordinate amount of time making shit up. Olbermann, Maddow, and O'Donnell don't.

So please, do not, do not, do not, say 'oh, they're all the same'. It is a false equivalency.
so it's false because fox does a better job at getting more dynamic people to spew their bullshit than MSNBC gets to spew theirs?

got it. check.

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Michael Moore appeared on Keith Olbermann's first post-suspension episode of "Countdown" on Tuesday and, after discussing the economy, turned to the subject of former President George W. Bush. Bush has been on a major publicity swing in the past week to promote his new memoir, "Decision Points." Among other things, he gave an hour-long interview to NBC's Matt Lauer.

Bush writes about Moore in the book, even comparing him to Osama bin Laden. He says that bin Laden "sounded like he was plagiarizing" Moore when he released a video in October 2004 deriding Bush's initial response to the 9/11 attacks, where he sat, stony-faced, in a classroom for minutes. Moore's dissection of that moment became one of the more famous passages from his film "Fahrenheit 9/11," also released in 2004.

On Tuesday, Moore struck back. He told Olbermann that he wished "NBC itself had a little more balance" instead of giving Bush so much one-sided airtime. Then, he offered to help the network out.

"I will give them, for free. 'Fahrenheit 9/11' to run on NBC as balance to all this publicity they've been giving him on NBC," he said. "I hope we never forget what this man did."

Moore also told Olbermann he was glad to have him back on the air. "Please don't leave," he implored.
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