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Old 11-05-2010, 03:52 PM   #31
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I will admit, my wife and I run a business that bears her name.
I have a different last name, so I make the political contributions, she does not.
She makes more of the donations though, as does our company.

Sneaky. Maybe. But, there are a few of our clients that may not like our political contributions.
Interesting way of going about it-very sneaky indeed . I'd be willing to bet quite a few businesses do things that way.

The clients are a touchy spot-on the one hand, if your company as a whole endorses some political views the client doesn't support, they're free to take their business elsewhere. If they don't want to bend to your views, you shouldn't have to bend to theirs, either. On the other hand, that could hurt your business, especially if your clientele isn't very large and your business is rather specific.

If a business can manage to keep the political contributions separate from the work their business does, then hey, that's fantastic and I don't see it as a problem then. But I do understand why the laws exist, because it can be a bit of a minefield sometimes.

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If you participate in your local Chamber of Commerce they will support the GOP overwhelmingly, the majority of the time.
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At least Maddow is smart, assured, and her smarmy attitude as a commentator comes off as well-informed
Maddow is informed? Did you see her Friday night, in response to Olbermann's suspension, ripping on Fox News because Hannity has spoken at GOP fundraisers and because *gasp!* FNC allows politicians to promote their websites? Any research or honesty whatsoever would reveal that Ed Schultz has been the featured speaker at multiple Democratic fundraisers, and MSNBC also allows politicians to encourage website donations.

YouTube - Rachel Maddow Blasts Fox from her Glass House at MSNBC!

And if I can say so, I've lately been finding Maddow more obnoxious than even Olby. At least he's upfront about his hatred and dishonesty and bias. Maddow tries to hide behind acting silly and being funny and sarcastic.
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And if I can say so, I've lately been finding Maddow more obnoxious than even Olby. At least he's upfront about his hatred and dishonesty and bias. Maddow tries to hide behind acting silly and being funny and sarcastic.
May I ask why it is that you watch either of them when they bother you that much?

I can't stand Fox News, so I don't pay for it and don't get it on cable. Actually I don't get MSNBC either. I can't stand Rush Limbaugh, so I'd never be compelled to listen to his show. I'd probably feel sick in less than 3 minutes. Same goes for Sarah Palin's reality show, and so on.

Change the channel from MSNBC and enjoy your life.
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May I ask why it is that you watch either of them when they bother you that much?

I can't stand Fox News, so I don't pay for it and don't get it on cable. Actually I don't get MSNBC either. I can't stand Rush Limbaugh, so I'd never be compelled to listen to his show. I'd probably feel sick in less than 3 minutes. Same goes for Sarah Palin's reality show, and so on.

Change the channel from MSNBC and enjoy your life.
I listen to The Stephanie Miller Show every morning on the radio. They are mainly a political show, but they do plenty of Hollywood BS reporting and other stupid morning show type stuff, which I enjoy.

I never watch Fox News. I never watch MSNBC. I never listen to Limbaugh or his ilk.
Why put yourself through anything that's not enjoyable by choice?
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Maddow is informed? Did you see her Friday night, in response to Olbermann's suspension, ripping on Fox News because Hannity has spoken at GOP fundraisers and because *gasp!* FNC allows politicians to promote their websites? Any research or honesty whatsoever would reveal that Ed Schultz has been the featured speaker at multiple Democratic fundraisers, and MSNBC also allows politicians to encourage website donations.
I'm not going to get into a debate about or start defending political commentators on the horrible bog-hole echo chamber that is US cable news entertainment.

Given a choice between pseudo-political blowhards like Olby, Beck, Hannity, etc, I usually find Maddow more palatable. That's really not saying much if you look at it, though.

At the end of the day, though, I think anyone watching cable news commentators is probably looking to have his opinions reinforced or validated by saying "oh my God what an idiot this guy/gal is".
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I listen to The Stephanie Miller Show every morning on the radio. They are mainly a political show, but they do plenty of Hollywood BS reporting and other stupid morning show type stuff, which I enjoy.
I love Stephanie Miller's show. Gets my day off to a great start, laughing!

Speaking of the media, I found a great piece on HP written by Bill Maher about Jon Stewart's Sanity Rally. I have to say I love them both, but I agree with Bill here.

Take a look at the video.

Bill Maher vs. Jon Stewart: Maher Takes On Rally To Restore Sanity (VIDEO)
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Olbermann is an obnoxious fool. They should suspend him permanently. And take him off football too.

I don't watch MSNBC or Fox and I agree-why watch things that annoy you if you don't have to?
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I love Stephanie Miller's show. Gets my day off to a great start, laughing!

Speaking of the media, I found a great piece on HP written by Bill Maher about Jon Stewart's Sanity Rally. I have to say I love them both, but I agree with Bill here.

Take a look at the video.

Bill Maher vs. Jon Stewart: Maher Takes On Rally To Restore Sanity (VIDEO)
i got about half way through the video and turned it off. let's just say i lean more towards stewart than maher on this one. both sides are nuts.
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I think Maher is right, but I think what Stewart is doing is necessary to get people to listen.
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I think Maher is right, but I think what Stewart is doing is necessary to get people to listen.
Exactly.
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Bill Maher would be dangerous if he cut out the lame jokes. He nails so many issues and skewers the hypocrisy of the Right (and often the Left).
But of course, then he wouldn't be Bill Maher.
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Bill Maher would be dangerous if he cut out the lame jokes. He nails so many issues and skewers the hypocrisy of the Right (and often the Left).
But of course, then he wouldn't be Bill Maher.
Yes, Bill is a comedian first and foremost and I know humor is subjective.
I enjoy his hilarious comments, just like I enjoy Jon and Stephen.
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I never watch Fox News. I never watch MSNBC. I never listen to Limbaugh or his ilk.
Why put yourself through anything that's not enjoyable by choice?
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I'm not going to get into a debate about or start defending political commentators on the horrible bog-hole echo chamber that is US cable news entertainment.

Given a choice between pseudo-political blowhards like Olby, Beck, Hannity, etc, I usually find Maddow more palatable. That's really not saying much if you look at it, though.

At the end of the day, though, I think anyone watching cable news commentators is probably looking to have his opinions reinforced or validated by saying "oh my God what an idiot this guy/gal is".
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Olbermann is an obnoxious fool. They should suspend him permanently. And take him off football too.

I don't watch MSNBC or Fox and I agree-why watch things that annoy you if you don't have to?
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i got about half way through the video and turned it off. let's just say i lean more towards stewart than maher on this one. both sides are nuts.
As has been said so eloquently in the past few days by both Maher and Maddow, a lot of people like to say, 'oh, Fox, MSNBC, they're all the same', but it's not true. It's just not.

It's not true, because in 2006, MSNBC didn't start giving (then) past/future presidential candidates - Obama, Edwards, Clinton, etc - their own shows, the way Fox has given Huckabee, Palin, etc their own shows between 2008 and now.

It's not true, because MSNBC, to my knowledge, has never given a Democratic political operative as powerful and influential as Karl Rove is a Republican political operative, a job. Fox has. Fox is an arm of the Republican party. MSNBC, while obviously liberal, is not an arm of the Democratic party.

It's not true, because while MSNBC the network might try to pretend it's balanced like Fox does, its liberal primetime hosts - Olbermann, Maddow, O'Donnell - never pretend to be anything but the liberals they are, whereas Fox's hosts - O'Reilly, Hannity, etc - have always maintained the "Fair and Balanced" mantra.

And it's not true because people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh(I know, he's not on Fox) spend an inordinate amount of time making shit up. Olbermann, Maddow, and O'Donnell don't.

So please, do not, do not, do not, say 'oh, they're all the same'. It is a false equivalency.
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So please, do not, do not, do not, say 'oh, they're all the same'. It is a false equivalency.

Really? Your first point concerns Palin's and Huckabee's shows? I haven't seen or heard a thing about Palin's show in months- it could be off the air for all I know- and Huckabee's once-a-week show dedicates very little time to politics. He interviews celebrities and plays music and does comedy pieces. If that's supposed to be a launching pad for 2012, then fine- guilty.

And please. "Making shit up?" You honestly think Olby and Maddow and Schultz and O'Donnell don't? Really? I'd love to provide examples, unless you want to rethink that one, which I highly suggest you do.

I'd also rethink your "MSNBC is not an arm of the Democratic Party" line. The week before the election, Pelosi and Reid came out of hiding to give interviews to Olbermann and Schultz. The Vice President of the United States recently asked Olbermann for advice. Their election night was anchored by 6 known liberals (at least one of which is a self-described socialist) and 0 conservatives or moderates.

Look at the lineup. At six: Special Report with Bret Baier- a hard news program. On at the same time? Ed Schultz. Seven: Fox Report with Shepard Smith- a hard news program featuring zero political pundits. On at the same time? Chris "thrill up the leg" Matthews. At eight, who is more likely to feature a range of opinions and arguments- O'Reilly or Olbermann? Same at ten- Greta or Larry "I am a socialist" O'Donnell?
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