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Old 06-30-2014, 05:20 PM   #1
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Hobby Lobby decision

This is a dangerous decision. Corporations now have faith? Guess of they're people. Can they go to jail too?

So where will this end? Can Muslim owners require women to wear burkas? Other xtian owners deny blood transfusion ?

I realize that the courts said it's ONLY for certain contraceptive, but at some point other companies will argue for more religious rights against it's employees.

The four or five plans it can now deny don't aren't even abortion related, it's it has nothing to do with AFTER fertilized egg, but more to prevent fertilization.

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Old 06-30-2014, 05:21 PM   #2
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I do not get this, not at all. It seems like a horrible precedent for future religious people to use their faith to get out of paying for health care.
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wtf is it about contraception? seriously. why that?
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:26 PM   #4
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I'm having trouble understanding what this covers, all the articles I am reading just vaguely say "the four contraceptive methods".
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Furthermore, this article I'm reading on NBC has me confused. Does this decision only effect the companies that sued, or can any company that says they have religious right not to provide these four contraceptives do so? The NBC article seems to suggest it's only the three, but I didn't think that was how SCOTUS works.
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Anyone that receives insurance should have to sign and oath that they will not pull out.

Pulling out and spilling seed is going aginst G-d.
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I didn't think that was how SCOTUS works.
If it is working properly the seeds come from there.
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Cheapskates, honestly. And if they aren't, cheapskates can use their argument.

Anyway, it's a self-defeating argument; if you want to limit abortion, support condoms.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:38 PM   #9
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OK, wait, is this accurate?

It doesn't affect:
• Most birth control pills
• Condoms
• Sponges
• Sterilization
It does affect:
• Plan B "morning-after pill"
• Ella "morning-after pill"
• Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)


Hobby Lobby case: What birth control is affected?
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So is Hobby Lobby (and the other companies) just trying to avoid to allow their employees to have contraception covered at 100% (per the ACA, as it is a preventive medicine), or do they not want to cover it at all? As in, "No, you can't even pay $10 copay to get it, you have to pay full price."

Either way it's an appalling situation, but it's an important distinction (especially since they apparently will cover Viagra).

I am, however, tempted to read Ginsberg's 35-page "This is Bullshit" rebuttal, because, yes.

Edit: I am surprised to see that article claiming it does not impact "most birth control pills" - that goes against everything I had read (and thought I understood) so far.
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Even if that list is accurate, it's a slippery slope. There's nothing stopping another business from trying to duck taxes to Planned Parenthood under a similar heading.
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I don't even think it's about them being cheapskates - anyone dealing with health insurance knows that actually giving birth costs a gajillion times more* than contraception.

It's about not wanting to cover contraception because morals. Vomit.





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See, I want to know exactly what this covers, before I get too riled. I'm honestly surprised that the morning after pill is covered by insurance. Not sure how I feel on that one, it's not exactly a necessity, is it?

Also didn't know that condoms were apparently covered by insurance? Been wasting money >_>


Either way, to distinguish, on a religious basis, what is and isn't allowed to be covered does open it up, as many has already pointed out, to other people of other faiths, that don't believe in blood transfusions, vaccines, etc.
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Condoms are available over-the-counter, so are not really covered under insurance. I think even health care reimbursement accounts (aka flexible spending accounts) specify that you can only be reimbursed for OTC purchases with a prescription.

I should know that off the top of my head. Let me check our plan info ...

Edit: it lists "contraceptives" under the heading of "able to get reimbursed with a prescription," but I don't know that a doc would ever write an Rx for condoms. Weird. (Birth control pills are listed elsewhere; you can get reimbursed for your copay, assuming it's the kind that you're not getting for free thanks to the ACA.)

But even with that, that's not the same as being "covered by insurance," it just means the IRS considers it a "reimbursable health care expense" for purposes of these programs, so I'd like to know more about that.

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See, that's what I was thinking. That seems weird that they'd be covered under insurance.

I'm so glad you're in HR
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