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Old 06-30-2014, 09:10 PM   #46
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But not according to the law, is that what I'm meant to take from the reading of the '93 law?
A corporation is a separate legal entity, yes, it has legal "personhood" but this stems back to Salomon's Case from the lat 19th century. It's the seminal corporate law case for all common law jurisdictions, even though it is a UK case.

As for IUDs, the pro-lifers argue that because they impede implantation, they are a form of abortion. In other words, because the egg and sperm fertilize in the fallopian tube and the resulting blastocyst makes its way down to the uterus, but for the fact that the IUD "sweeps" it away, it could be a baby. They of course don't make note of the fact that by most estimations some 50% (or more) of fertilized eggs fail to implant naturally.
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But that begs the question, again, why IUDs and not the pill.
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Hypocrisy?


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Deep posted that a couple hours ago, and again, I ask, did Hobby Lobby ever release a statement about it?
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My bad deep...

It just doesn't seem like their "convictions" truly run that deep.


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Old 06-30-2014, 11:08 PM   #51
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More on the IUD issue:

Here's Why Hobby Lobby Thinks IUDs Are Like Abortions - Olga Khazan - The Atlantic
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:17 PM   #52
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My bad deep...

It just doesn't seem like their "convictions" truly run that deep.


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no big deal
if it is back couple of pages, many won't see it
in conversations, many times more than one person brings up the same point


my take is that this really is not about sincere religious beliefs, but more about conservatives trying to undermine the affordable care act.
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But the copper IUD can also be used as emergency contraception if it’s inserted up to five days after unprotected sex (and then simply left in to serve as longer-term birth control). And when used in that way, the copper-laden environment might also prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. It might. We just don’t know. The dance of the egg, the IUD, and its molecules changes on a case-by-case and whoopee-by-whoopee basis.

Also, I read the synopsis of the court's decision, and I want to know if someone can clear this up for me. My reading was this: The reason that they sided with Hobby Lobby, etc, was because 1) Non-Profit organizations are already allowed to do what Hobby Lobby was pushing for and 2) As such, women aren't being denied anything, Hobby Lobby just doesn't have to pay for it? The way I read it was that the logic of the court was that non-profits were already having these forms of birth control provided by the government, instead of paying themselves and that Hobby Lobby and co. should have the same benefit. Additionally, as blood transfusions vaccines are NOT covered in a similar manner for non-profits, this is why the Supreme Court stated it was not setting a further precedent for religious groups to argue cases for not providing those?
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lol "might," "we don't know," "it depends."

It's horseshit. You can say all day long that Hobby Lobby has religious convictions that they need to follow (if you believe that a corporation has a soul or conscience), but the IUD thing is a clear corner they cut to save money. Someone had an intern at corporate research hypotheticals and they came up with that. It's a relatively small issue, but it pisses me off.
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Oh, I fully agree, the IUD thing is insane.
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Ron Paul Says if Americans Understood This, the Hobby Lobby Contraception Case Would Likely Never Have Happened | Video | TheBlaze.com
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The facts: Look it up if you think the following is a lie.

Hobby Lobby only asked the court to allow them to not cover four specific types of birth control (out of the 20 FDA-approved types) that may prevent an already fertilized egg from implanting.


Before the ruling, Hobby Lobby was already covering 16 different birth control methods, which account for the types used by 93% of American women. They will continue to provide coverage for those 16 and will not (and cannot) prevent any employee from purchasing the other four types themselves.
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They will continue to provide coverage for those 16 and will not (and cannot) prevent any employee from purchasing the other four types themselves.
They are preventing them from doing so if they can't afford those types of birth control on their own. Which many cannot.

And none of this has to do with defense of life, because the difference between a fertilized egg and an implanted egg is pictured next to "semantics" in your Oxford dictionary.

The people supporting Hobby Lobby don't give two flying fucks about women.
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Did they ever make it clear if the government would be paying for those birth control forms, as they are already doing for non-profits?
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