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Old 10-06-2008, 07:40 PM   #1
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Health care systems around the world which is best?

Healthcare Economist · Health Care Around the World: An Introduction

My favorite line is about Greece: "Funding. In Tanner’s opinion, 'the Greek health care system is funded through payroll taxes, general tax revenue and bribery.' "

From what I can see Switzerland, Japan, and France have better than average systems. In Canada I know there are long waiting lines. It appears that a system with cost sharing, private sector competition and government mixed in round things out well. Countries with a completely centralized system that negate choice lead to people wanting to spend extra to go to other countries.

Also it's a no brainer. The countries that have more individuals who practice a healthy lifestyle alleviates the burden on the health care system in any country.
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Well there is no perfect system.

And like you mentioned it's hard to do an exact comparison for one may work better for certain populations than others...

I think one of the biggest flaws in the majority of healthcare programs that I've seen is that they don't focus much on preventitive education.
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My country is cold. Lots of people who sit around in winter not exercising. I try to keep up to the gym but somedays are so cold that it's punishing to just get in your car. I definately exercise in the summer a lot more. I'm sure weather in Japan and France can help with a lifestyle that includes much more walking.
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Can't say which one is the best.

Can say which ones are better

and which ones are worse


U S has some great Health Care for some people
but as a whole the U S system is only the best for Insurance Companies, Big Pharma, and high-paid surgeons and internists.
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As general curiosity, how many of you fine people of FYM go to doctors who are members of your family?
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My country is cold. Lots of people who sit around in winter not exercising. I try to keep up to the gym but somedays are so cold that it's punishing to just get in your car. I definately exercise in the summer a lot more. I'm sure weather in Japan and France can help with a lifestyle that includes much more walking.
I gained so much weight last winter due to the fact that excessive amounts of snow—record amounts, I might add—precluded me from going out when not absolutely necessary. This winter I'll make more of an effort to stay active.
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I gained so much weight last winter due to the fact that excessive amounts of snow—record amounts, I might add—precluded me from going out when not absolutely necessary. This winter I'll make more of an effort to stay active.
It's worth it. When you start exercising after a long period of inactivity it can lead to injuries. Maybe I should take up something like cross country skiing.

300/year for a gym is probably still the cheapest.
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Can't say which one is the best.

Can say which ones are better

and which ones are worse


U S has some great Health Care for some people
but as a whole the U S system is only the best for Insurance Companies, Big Pharma, and high-paid surgeons and internists.
Mine is centrally planned and we have universal access but there is rationing and the line ups are frustrating. I'm sure there will eventually be changes to add the private sector and cost sharing but that depends on political opinion.
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Why, it's a no brainer. The U.S. is the best!

Only in America can you have health insurance, pay through the nose for it, get sick, have essential coverage denied, and go bankrupt.

USA! USA! USA!
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Why, it's a no brainer. The U.S. is the best!

Only in America can you have health insurance, pay through the nose for it, get sick, have essential coverage denied, and go bankrupt.

USA! USA! USA!

But, insurance policies are contracts, or something like that right.

So if one's gets sick they have coverage.

Unless the insurer can prove they lied on their application.

Insureds are given the opportunity to tell the truth 100s? of times on the multi-page application they must fill out to get insurance. Also, the insurance company is very helpful by asking all the questions in very precise terms, again giving the insured dozens of time to not make one mistake and tell the truth.

The insurance companies are very kind and don't bother to verify the answers are all exactly correct when they grant coverage. This way many marginal people have the peace of mind of having coverage for many years perhaps 10, or 20 years.

Why is it wrong for the insurance copany to verify the person told the whole truth on their multi-page application when they start to use large amounts of insurance coverage? If the insurance company just paid out claims they would have to raise their rates to get their profits back up to keep share holders and the Board of Directors in a comfortable lifestyle.

If some dishonest person had coverage for 20 years and then is discovered when he starts to cut into insurance companies operating expenses and profits, well who's fault is that?
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I live in the same cold country and I got to the gym 6-7 days a week last year. It's a huge pain in the ass, especially when I was going at 6 am, but it's not like it's not doable.

Prevention really is key. It's appalling how sedentary we are as a society and how horribly we eat.
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As general curiosity, how many of you fine people of FYM go to doctors who are members of your family?
My father is a doctor, so yes (unless it involves taking my pants off).

BUT I'm Australian and we all have healthcare anyway so I guess that's not the point of the question.
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I live in the same cold country and I got to the gym 6-7 days a week last year. It's a huge pain in the ass, especially when I was going at 6 am, but it's not like it's not doable.

Prevention really is key. It's appalling how sedentary we are as a society and how horribly we eat.
Everything is about convenience.

I didn't find much time for cooking in the past. Eventually I found time by simply cooking tons more than I needed and using tupperware to bring to work. I also rarely watch TV now, because there just so many other more important things to do. Time management is key to take control of your diet. Eating more fruits and vegetables helps in filling your stomach with fibre so you don't feel hungry all the time. Most weightloss programs are based on that but you can do it yourself without paying tons of money for these programs.
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Prevention really is key. It's appalling how sedentary we are as a society and how horribly we eat.


perhaps this is why we should take a closer look at Sardinia and Okinawa.
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The Health care system here in the UK is possibly the only thing in the UK worth sticking around for in my opinion. It's not perfect (nothing ever will be, will it?) but everyone's entitled to free health care and, although there will be a wait for some treatments (the waiting length depending on how much you need it etc) you do get the treatments, and for free, in the end
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