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Old 06-16-2011, 02:38 PM   #1
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"Hating Jews is back in fashion"

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As Charlie Sheen, John Galliano and Julian Assange demonstrate, anti-semitism is becoming trendy.
It was a great week, this week, for Pope Benedict XI to exonerate the Jews. It’s one of those twist of circumstances that can make even a fundamentalist atheist like myself believe in God – or, at least, the possibility of a great, overhanging Comic Logic to the Universe. Because in the week that anti-Semitism became really, properly zeitgeisty again – you can’t get more culturally now than John Galliano, Charlie Sheen and Julian Assange – thank Great Overhanging Comic Logic that the Pontiff/ex-member of the Hitler Youth decided to shut down that pesky old hatred once and for all in his new work, “Jesus of Nazareth – Part II” (I always said someone should write a sequel to that movie).

But the fact that the Vatican is still, in 2011, chasing its tail over the Jewish responsibility for the crucifixion (an event which, of course, was absolutely essential to Jesus’ divine mission, and thus the Jews should have been applauded for helping Him along the way to it, instead of reviled and persecuted for a couple of millennia) is just the Route One explanation for the persistence of anti-Semitism in our culture. In commissioning this piece, the brief was could I come up with the reason why many people still harbour negative ideas about this fairly tiny racial group, but of course there isn’t one single reason. The old blood libel – “His blood be on us and on our children”, shouted so loudly by the Jews to Pontius Pilate in Mel Gibson’s The Passion of The Christ – provides the historical context, but I’m really not sure if John Galliano even speaks Arameaic: and besides, he doesn’t seem to know much simpler historical things, such as the fact that Hitler really didn’t love gays.
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This is also what gives anti-Semitism a somewhat ambiguous status with the Left. Despite so many key Lefties being Jewish – Marx, Trotsky, y’know: that level of Leftie – many of them, some less consciously than others, harbour a sense that Jews don’t quite fit into that key Venn Diagram marked Oppressed/Worth Fighting For. Yes, there was the Holocaust, yes there was 2,000 years of persecution and pogroms and massacres, but a) quite a lot of them have got a fair wodge of cash, and b) Israel.

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Because Israel has become, in recent years, an icon for the Left of everything that is bad - American imperialism, oil wars, suppression of human rights - and since Jews, even Jews who do not support the state or its policies, are (at least in the minds of, say, Hamas) associated with it, knocking Jews may just be a blow for the oppressed, rather than to them.

As a result, people talking the anti-Jew talk can do it not as racists, but, paradoxically, as if they are somehow sticking up for other races. Underneath one of the various web films of John Galliano looking weirdly cold and lonely at that café that I watched the other day, there were a slew of comments, an awful lot of them supportive of the designer. One of them, johntron67, began: “What is it with the Jews! They’re the only group you just can’t say anything negative about…” What’s amazing about that – the same poster went on, later, to say, sinisterly, that “the cauldron will boil over though, one day soon, and guess who’s gonna get scalded…” – is not so much that johntron67 thinks that saying generally-OK and not-to-be-remarked-upon things about the Jews would include the comment “I love Hitler - your forefathers would’ve been gassed”; but that he really thinks that other ethnic minorities are, in comparison, fair game. Two words: Michael Richards. Charlie, Mel, probably even Galliano – they’ll work again: Mel Gibson is, even as we speak, in a big Hollywood movie, The Beaver. Since his n-word-fuelled outburst onstage in 2006, Kramer is toast.
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Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson, and people who comment on YouTube...

What do they all have in common?

Apparently they are the compass of what is "in style" and should be taken seriously.
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Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson, and people who comment on YouTube...

What do they all have in common?

Apparently they are the compass of what is "in style" and should be taken seriously.
What of the European left's comparative silence on human rights abuses in Muslim countries in the Middle East as compared to the fulsome denunciations levelled at Israel?
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Higher standards. We say we support Israel because they are a democratic blah blah island amongst a blah blah blah sea. And that goes both ways. We claim they are something 'more' so we expect more of them?
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What of the European left's comparative silence on human rights abuses in Muslim countries in the Middle East as compared to the fulsome denunciations levelled at Israel?
Like Earnie said, "higher standards".

Look at the overall development of the countries, the governments, etc...

Many Muslim countries have been stuck in an infancy stage for centuries. You don't treat a child and a young adult the same.
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Exactly the same reason why everyone cracked it so heavily at the US for waterboarding, when within the global range of torture nastiness, well, it's not exactly the same as having your testicles cut off and fed to you, no? Doesn't matter - higher standards.
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No, the question has not been addressed.

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What of the European left's comparative silence on human rights abuses in Muslim countries in the Middle East as compared to the fulsome denunciations levelled at Israel?
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That's what they're talking about, bro.
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Like Earnie said, "higher standards".

Look at the overall development of the countries, the governments, etc...

Many Muslim countries have been stuck in an infancy stage for centuries. You don't treat a child and a young adult the same.
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Exactly the same reason why everyone cracked it so heavily at the US for waterboarding, when within the global range of torture nastiness, well, it's not exactly the same as having your testicles cut off and fed to you, no? Doesn't matter - higher standards.
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I'm seeking.

What does this statement mean?

"Many Muslim countries have been stuck in an infancy stage for centuries. You don't treat a child and a young adult the same." ~posted by BVS
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I'm seeking.
Is Earnie's answer THAT hard to understand? If you don't agree with him, at least respond to his answer rather than pretending the question hasn't been answered at all.
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Is Earnie's answer THAT hard to understand? If you don't agree with him, at least respond to his answer rather than pretending the question hasn't been answered at all.
This is far too often the case with you iron horse. You don't LIKE the answer so you cover your eyes and ears and pretend to have never seen or heard it.



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I'm seeking.

What does this statement mean?

"Many Muslim countries have been stuck in an infancy stage for centuries. You don't treat a child and a young adult the same." ~posted by BVS
Do you not think that in the overall scheme of things that one is considered much more developed and advance than the other?
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A little article from National Review magazine. All too common unfortunately.

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After Israel's Dec 2008-Jan 2009 war in Gaza, the Scottish regional council of West Dunbartonshire resolved to succor racially oppressed Hamas militants by banning use of the Dunbartonshire purse for purchases from the Jewish state. But for Israelis, having failed to learn from the moral censure of the aged councilmen, chauvinistically defended themselves again in the May 2010 flotilla raid. Compounding the outrage, the wily and devious transnationals found a way around the boycott: Israeli books made it into Dunbartonshire libraries via collaborating English translators and publishers. So the council elders convened once more, and, going beyond mere Israeli manufactures, banned all new books written by Israelis from their libraries. Some ten neighboring councils followed suit.
The first question that comes to mind is: What to do about Ecclesiates? More to the point: When will the councils ban books by authors from Syria and Iran? Never of course. This is partly because they are hypocrites, and partly because, unlike Israel, Syria and Iran don't produce books worth reading--a fact that indicates where the actual repression in the Middle East lies.
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