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Old 01-21-2013, 09:33 PM   #1
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Harvard Professor Looking for Neanderthal Surrogate

Wasn't sure if I should put this in the science thread, but I think it might interest people who otherwise wouldn't look in there. Maybe even stimulate some discussion on ethics.

Palaeolithic Park? Harvard professor seeks 'adventurous' woman to give birth to baby Neanderthal - Science - News - The Independent
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:13 PM   #2
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If there is enough evidence that the pregnancy would not endanger the woman, and that the child wouldn't spend much of his/her time in cruel lab experiments, then I think it might be worth giving it a shot.

I don't have a definite 'yes' or 'no' on this.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:30 PM   #3
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I don't think this is a good idea. There's a good chance the kid will be examined and watched all its life, even if it lives a "normal" life with a family in a small town. It will be watched to see how it mentally and physically develops, how it handles technology, how it socializes and is treated by others. While this idea taps into people's imagination of Neandertals living in the present world and what it would be like for them, I don't see how this professor's plans can be ethical.
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We're finding more and more that Neanderthals were pretty damn smart actually.
I mean, relative to the way they've always been seen. The fact that they were likely killed off by us might fly in the face of that, but who knows?

As for the actual subject...that's one hell of a question. I'll get back to it. Initially, I am against it for several reasons but I'll have to think more on it.
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I said that as a fact...it's just a theory but personally, I think it has merit.
It very may well have been that Anatomically Modern Humans killed them off.
Makes sense to me, just as a fan of science.

And so that item, if true, is incredibly curious unto itself within this ethical debate. What if we were responsible for their genocide? Do we owe it to them to bring them back?

Are we going to create one and never let it mate? What if it is a male that rapes a woman? Will the authorities allow it to be aborted? All sorts of strangeness here...many fascinating questions.

Also worth noting, as most people make this mistake - Neanderthals gave very little to the human genome. We are somewhat related but very distant, as far as I'm aware.
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If I'm not mistaken, we share a common ancestor, but there are traces of neanderthal DNA in people of European descent due to some interbreeding..... I'm going to verify that right now
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What if we were responsible for their genocide?
This is an interesting thought. I feel a great deal of responsibility when our species causes the the extinction of another... but 30,000 years ago, homo sapiens were living what would seem like a more.. ecologically friendly lifestyle. Species cause other species to go extinct all the time. I'm not sure why, but I feel like it's different to clear a rainforest and wipe out a species than it is to out-compete them. But then you run into the question of "when exactly did we start living 'unnatural' lifestyles"... I've always thought that was a silly question, because it divorces us from the so-called natural world in a very arrogant way. I dunno.... late night stream of conscious and what not
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Study: Neanderthal DNA Lives On in Modern Humans - TIME

Neanderthals live on in DNA of humans | Science | The Guardian
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NOOOOOOOO!

I was worried about that (seemed a little too good to be true), but at least thought it was within the realm of possibility. And it was mentioned in some legit sources


I suppose the discussion is still valid as it will happen one day


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Pfft, such a cliché pick-up line. He should be more original if he wants to impress women.
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I suppose the discussion is still valid as it will happen one day
It's possible. Just get one mad scientist to do it.

I remember some years ago there was talk about bringing back the woolly mammoth. They found one frozen in Siberia and there were rumors of cloning it or finding some way to bring back the specie.
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