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Old 07-08-2009, 02:50 PM   #76
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I have no argument with the hypocrisy factor you've mentioned. Clinton signed a little piece called the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996. Is there a hypocrisy factor in that? Maybe so, but it's hardly relevant.

I just think there are many sickening factors to this story.

It makes more sense to me to consider how his love affair led to the neglect of his fundamental duties as governor, first and foremost. That's what separates this from many other political sex scandals. Hypocrisy is something to expect from most any politician.
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I have no argument with the hypocrisy factor you've mentioned. Clinton signed a little piece called the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996. Is there a hypocrisy factor in that?

I am so tired of hearing Clinton - DOMA blah, blah, blah


It passed overwhelmingly in both houses

look at the numbers

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The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85-14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342-67 in the House of Representatives,
85 % and 84 %

if he vetoed it, it would have been over-ridden in a heartbeat, it only takes 67% to override his veto


not to mention it was right before the Nov 96 election.
A President that had marital problems vetoing a Defense of Marriage act 6 weeks before the 96 election that congress and the American public supported by 85%.

These are the facts of Sept - Oct 1996 and DOMA.
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:17 PM   #78
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Deep, quick points.
1. It's just a simple example.
2. Popularity doesn't mean it's not hypocritical.
3. As I said at the time I posted, it's hardly relevant to begin with. Consider the other factors: tax-funded adultery, sex on the clock, etc.
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I know I responded to you.

But, I meant that more for the so-called progressives that constantly attack Clinton for signing DOMA in the fall of 1996.

Perhaps they would have been happier with a weakened Clinton that everyone said only vetoed DOMA because because he was an adulterer.

Also, it would have had big effect on the Nov election, I can't say Dole would have one.



Also, I do agree with your opinion that Sanford should resign for failing his duties as Governor.
Leaving the state with no one in charge. Also, his dishonesty. A Governor that lies, or intentionally misleads his staff has no credibility, Especially, when we find out there is a pattern of this.
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It is asking society to redefine their social order by imposing new definitions to appease those who practice certain sexual behaviors, and want it known beyond closed doors.


my sex life is as private as yours.

my love life is as public as yours.

it's quite insulting to reduce sexual orientation to simple friction.
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^ No need to be insulted.

I just dismiss the ideas of "sexual orientation" and "gender identity." I also believe there is a difference between "political gays" and strictly "sexual gays," just as you believe there's a distinction between political Christians and strictly religious Christians.

If you want to have more of a discussion on that, please feel free to send me a private message.
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i know i responded to you.

But, i meant that more for the so-called progressives that constantly attack clinton for signing doma in the fall of 1996.
ok.
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^ No need to be insulted.

I just dismiss the ideas of "sexual orientation" and "gender identity." I also believe there is a difference between "political gays" and strictly "sexual gays," just as you believe there's a distinction between political Christians and strictly religious Christians.

If you want to have more of a discussion on that, please feel free to send me a private message.


could you please explain this further?
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could you please explain this further?
Only if you ask...

"Sexual orientation."

"Gender identity."

It's Orwellian buzzword nonsense.

I would say that the non-political homosexual goes about his business without any desire to rewrite the dictionary. He understands that society is society, and could care less about how the state defines his relationships, so long as the SWAT team leaves him alone.

The political homosexual is just the opposite. He wants to force society to accept his behavior, anywhere, anytime. If it feels good, do it by the side of the road. If the people don't like it, it's "bigotry" (that's one of the nicer ways of putting it). The political homosexual has a long list of terminology to indoctrinate others with. He pushes every institution imaginable to indoctrinate others with the verbiage as well.
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I would say that the non-political homosexual goes about his business without any desire to rewrite the dictionary. He understands that society is society, and could care less about how the state defines his relationships, so long as the SWAT team leaves him alone.
So if we had more non-political negroes they would still be at the back of the bus because society is society...

It's still true the conservatives still have no honest reasoning against gay marriage.
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I don't consider myself a politicized heterosexual, but seeing as how I'm married, I certainly do care how the state defines my relationship. I'm afraid I've also been known to force a little hetero PDA down other people's throats from time to time.
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I'm afraid I've also been known to force a little hetero PDA down other people's throats from time to time.


you know, i don't care what you do behind closed doors -- in fact, i don't even want to know what you do -- and i'm certainly not going have you thrown in jail or anything, but for the love of Pete, why do you have to do it in public and flaunt it in front of my kids and then i'm forced to explain just what it is that you do when you do it and that's really not a conversation i'd like to have, thankyouverymuch.
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I would say that the non-political homosexual goes about his business without any desire to rewrite the dictionary. He understands that society is society, and could care less about how the state defines his relationships, so long as the SWAT team leaves him alone.

The political homosexual is just the opposite. He wants to force society to accept his behavior, anywhere, anytime. If it feels good, do it by the side of the road. If the people don't like it, it's "bigotry" (that's one of the nicer ways of putting it). The political homosexual has a long list of terminology to indoctrinate others with. He pushes every institution imaginable to indoctrinate others with the verbiage as well.

i guess you're right.

i should just accept my inferior status and get on with it. i should be thankful that no one is throwing me in jail or chopping off my testicles. the least i can offer in return for such tolerance is not tell anyone about my behavior.
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you know, i don't care what you do behind closed doors -- in fact, i don't even want to know what you do -- and i'm certainly not going have you thrown in jail or anything, but for the love of Pete, why do you have to do it in public and flaunt it in front of my kids and then i'm forced to explain just what it is that you do when you do it and that's really not a conversation i'd like to have, thankyouverymuch.
Just say we're perverts whose "relationship" is obviously based on lust rather than commitment to providing a stable and wholesome family environment. That's usually what we tell our kids when they ask about someone.
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